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re: Should Vandy commit to a triple option offense?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:21 pm to holdmydak
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:21 pm to holdmydak
Option makes more sense for a program like Vandy than it does for a historically significant program like Georgia Tech.
Stanford is the model all these academic institutions that are Power 5 programs should try to immulate. Vandy is trying to do it mason, but so far the results are butt.
Stanford is the model all these academic institutions that are Power 5 programs should try to immulate. Vandy is trying to do it mason, but so far the results are butt.
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:28 pm to holdmydak
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Defense has never been the problem for Vandy, it's offense that holds them back, and that's because they can't attract the talent that other SEC programs can.
Defense has been a problem for Vandy. Coach Mason is a defensive specialist and Franklin wasn't bad either. Before them....? Ugh.
But you're making a common mistake. Defense and offense aren't completely separate things. While Tech's defense isn't horrible, it's not what they're known for, and never will be as long as they do trip-o. You are correct that trip-o is definitely a good system for a talent-poor team going up against much more talented ones, and does give them a chance to pull out a win if they can frustrate teams not accustomed to facing it. That only works until teams get used to it. You'll notice GT isn't winning the ACC, let alone making an impact nationally.
But I personally want to watch football, not a gadget games. We do have the potential to do reasonably well with our current system; we just have a lot less margin for error so...
Besides, we could have run a sextuple-option and not have beaten the likes of UGA and Bama this season.
Edit: Didn't read the rest of the thread. I see you did talk a bit about the defense's relation to the offense.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:29 pm to holdmydak
No, they should run a pro style form of the Wing T. They’ll never be able to match what other programs have in the trenches.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:29 pm to NYCAuburn
I wouldn't say Vandy can't get decent players. Since 2010 GT's average recruiting class has been 51st, while Vandy's average recruiting class has been 46th.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:30 pm to lowspark12
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Option makes more sense for a program like Vandy than it does for a historically significant program like Georgia Tech.
What? It's not a question of historical significance. Tech runs the option for the exact same reason the OP is suggesting we do -- academics and difficulty attracting talent to match them make a system like the triple-option a more viable approach to winning.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:32 pm to holdmydak
Good point.
I favor your idea because:
1. I love to watch triple option football -- it's so much like rugby AND Bama football circa 1978.
2. It will give us a lot of practice every few years when we play them for that gimmick team that pops up that blows everyone away except for when they have to play Bama in the playoffs (see Auburn, LSU [2011], UCF/USF which will probably be included going forward due to SJW complex, etc.).
I favor your idea because:
1. I love to watch triple option football -- it's so much like rugby AND Bama football circa 1978.
2. It will give us a lot of practice every few years when we play them for that gimmick team that pops up that blows everyone away except for when they have to play Bama in the playoffs (see Auburn, LSU [2011], UCF/USF which will probably be included going forward due to SJW complex, etc.).
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:32 pm to randomways
Didn't Vandy run the TO under Dinardo as recently as the mid 90s? And his successor too?
I seem to remember beating Vandy in one of Dinardo's first years here, and it not being one of those weirdly-close 90s Vandy games either, we destroyed them. Our defensive players said after the game that Dinardo had coached the scout team that week, and they had run the TO better than the real Vandy team.
I seem to remember beating Vandy in one of Dinardo's first years here, and it not being one of those weirdly-close 90s Vandy games either, we destroyed them. Our defensive players said after the game that Dinardo had coached the scout team that week, and they had run the TO better than the real Vandy team.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:33 pm to BobLeeDagger
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No, they should run a pro style form of the Wing T.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
The Wing-T? Heck that is falling out of favor even at the high school level.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:33 pm to holdmydak
Short answer: Yes
Bobby Johnson wanted to do it but he said he had to stick with what he inherited (which was some decent offensive talent) and it's next to impossible to transition from pro style to veer or triple option in five years.
Vandy shod do it and start taking all the triple option talent from Ga Tech, et al ... but they never will.
Bobby Johnson wanted to do it but he said he had to stick with what he inherited (which was some decent offensive talent) and it's next to impossible to transition from pro style to veer or triple option in five years.
Vandy shod do it and start taking all the triple option talent from Ga Tech, et al ... but they never will.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:34 pm to ColoBama
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except for when they have to play Bama in the playoffs (see Auburn, LSU [2011], UCF/USF which will probably be included going forward due to SJW complex, etc.).
this makes no sense
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:34 pm to randomways
JMO...GT should hire Mike Leach when they finally give Paul his walking papers. As of today GT is the 4th Military Academy as far as football.
AND....The SEC should make Vandy Commit to building/upgrading their stadium to at least 65K. At least the visiting teams could then get 4o or 50 yardline tickets.
AND....The SEC should make Vandy Commit to building/upgrading their stadium to at least 65K. At least the visiting teams could then get 4o or 50 yardline tickets.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:34 pm to holdmydak
Georgia Tech is working on an entirely different talent level than Vanderbilt.
Since 2000, Tech has had 16 players drafted in the first three rounds compared to Vandy's 8. Only 3 times in that time span has Vandy had three kids go in the same draft, GT has accomplished that 8 times.
Those are stark differences in talent and depth of talent.
Since 2000, Tech has had 16 players drafted in the first three rounds compared to Vandy's 8. Only 3 times in that time span has Vandy had three kids go in the same draft, GT has accomplished that 8 times.
Those are stark differences in talent and depth of talent.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:37 pm to randomways
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Tech runs the option for the exact same reason the OP is suggesting we do -- academics and difficulty attracting talent to match them make a system like the triple-option a more viable approach to winning.
Tech runs the option simply because they haven fired Paul Johnson yet. They hired him because he was the hot coach at the time, with his teams at Navy. They havent fired him yet because he really only has had one abysmal season and they dont have unrealistic expectations. But as soon as he is gone, so will the TO at tech
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:39 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
My point exactly, we’re talking Vandy here. And I said pro style, not so much in the pistol. It’s featured in the NFL some.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:40 pm to luvdoc
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Didn't Vandy run the TO under Dinardo as recently as the mid 90s? And his successor too?
I seem to remember beating Vandy in one of Dinardo's first years here, and it not being one of those weirdly-close 90s Vandy games either, we destroyed them. Our defensive players said after the game that Dinardo had coached the scout team that week, and they had run the TO better than the real Vandy team.
He did. He learned it working under Bill McCartney. That was one of the reasons he was hired in a rough-and-tumble league, to give Vandy a different edge. But, as we can see, that didn't work out. At least not for Vandy. It got Dinardo (for some utterly unfathomable reason) a job with LSU.
Thanks for reminding me. Not sure how I let that slip my mind when replying. It's a good case study.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:41 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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AND....The SEC should make Vandy Commit to building/upgrading their stadium to at least 65K.
I think they are talking about building a new stadium
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:42 pm to NYCAuburn
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I think they are talking about building a new stadium
Lamentably, this is still false.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:43 pm to NYCAuburn
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Tech runs the option simply because they haven fired Paul Johnson yet. They hired him because he was the hot coach at the time, with his teams at Navy. They havent fired him yet because he really only has had one abysmal season and they dont have unrealistic expectations. But as soon as he is gone, so will the TO at tech
Let me rephrase: Paul Johnson runs the triple-option because he was brought in to coach at GT, who has the same problem with academics and difficulty attracting talent to match them.
Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if he sold GT on the selling points of the triple-option at a school like GT when he interviewed for the job.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:45 pm to Vandyrone
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Lamentably, this is still false.
Was it a renovation. I am almost positive there was a thread on here about something with your stadium
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:46 pm to NYCAuburn
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Was it a renovation. I am almost positive there was a thread on here about something with your stadium
Off-campus piggyback option off of the new Nashville MLS team. Thankfully, it was struck down.
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