re: Should the SEC consider East Carolina ?

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You do understand that the 4 programs you're comparing ECU to are UNAVAILABLE, don't you??

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At this time. The SEC can wait till the best teams become available. I have been following realignment for decades and each time the SEC has come away with a state flagship school in a new market that held either the #1 or #2 position.

Arkansas = state flagship in single state school and #1 in market
South Carolina = state flagship school and #2 in market at time. Now #1
Missouri = state flagship in single state school and #1 in market
TAMU = state flagship school and #2 in market at time. Will challenge for #1

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Expansion has evolved in the last 2 years....we're not talking what expansion USED to be, its a new game now. Most of you aren't getting it...

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It is realignment and not expansion and I get it very well. It is you who seem to have a limited view on the big picture. If the SEC goes to 16 it will do so from one of the 2 conferences that may not survive the next round of media contracts in the next 10 - 15 years. We had 6 conferences and now we have 5. In the next contract negotiations we will probably just have 4. The fact that both the ACC and Big 12 have GoR's and high exit fees tells me that they are the next on the block and only 1 will survive (perhaps a merger of some and others spun off to the B1G / PAC / SEC) and one will not. The realignment in the 90's was done to eliminate the Independent schools and force them to join a conference. The realignment of the past few years was to reduce the number of conferences. If you can not see this simple fact then look before you respond.

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The SEC BRAND is already established...you need to think of expansion in reverse. Where can we put the SEC network....

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This is what you are not getting. Granted it is about where the SEC Network can be grown (and why FSU and Clemson will never get in) but there is a caveat that in the end you are looking at 4 conferences and 64 teams total. No matter how you slice it ECU will not be one of the best 64 teams in the country to choose from in the next 10 - 20 years.

What you have to think about is can any team added come into the SEC today at a spot that is at least the AVERAGE of the other SEC schools because if they can not they must take more money from the other 14 teams than they give to them. Here is ECU facilities in the major sports

Football : 50,000 seat stadium when the SEC norm will be closer to 75,000 or 80,000 in the next few years
Basketball : 8,000 seat arena when the SEC norm will be closer to 12,000 or 16,000 in the next few years
Baseball : 3,000 seat ball park when the SEC norm will be closer to 6,000 to 9,000 in the next few years

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AAU status? that might mean something if we were the B1G.

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You do realize all 3 B1G additions were AAU at the time
You do realize both of the SEC additions were AAU at the time
You do realize Colorado was AAU when they joined the PAC

I must understand business better than you do because RESEARCH dollars dwarf SPORTS dollars by a multiple of 5 to 10.

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this is the longest list of BS I've ever seen....Tobacco Road membership???

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While this may not have penetrated your mind, think of the value of the SEC schools in football before Georgia and Oklahoma went to the Supreme Court and broke the NCAA monopoly. Now fast forward and imagine if the top 64 teams in the country broke off and formed their own governing body? March Madness is a muti billion dollar business and all that money would go to just 4 conferences and not the 100's of schools it does today. This means long term basketball schools like UNC and KU will be extremely valuable. ECU does not have a basketball value and they do not have a baseball value.




If you think I am so far out of line then show me the ECU metrics that put them above the current SEC membership average and then you will at least have a leg to stand on.

Maroon man You made the perfect point. Any new member needs to be the top or number two in its state. Va Tech for example, N Carolina

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Jobu93

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Make your next post count as it will be 1939 the year you guys scored the MNC.

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This is what you are not getting. Granted it is about where the SEC Network can be grown (and why FSU and Clemson will never get in) but there is a caveat that in the end you are looking at 4 conferences and 64 teams total. No matter how you slice it ECU will not be one of the best 64 teams in the country to choose from in the next 10 - 20 years.

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I don't think it will be 64. Take the b12, PAC , big, sec. And divide up the acc. Who gets left out. To get to 64. The money is to big.

It will be 5 conferences.

WTF.

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Who gets left out. To get to 64. The money is to big.

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It is not that the money gets big, it is that the money is split between fewer schools which means they all get a raise.


SEC 14 + 2 = 16
PAC 12 + 4 = 16
B1G 14 + 2 = 16

So these 3 conferences would be be between 40 and 48 of the 60 - 64

That leaves 24 (25 with Notre Dame) to fill the remaining spaces from the top ACC and Big 12 schools.

Schools like Iowa State and Wake Forest will get left behind. Schools like Texas and UNC will have new homes. Everybody else will be somewhere in between. Why pay for 5 conferences when you can cut the dead weight from 2 conferences and just pay 4 conferences the same money. The money that would go to the small schools in the current ACC and Big 12 will just get split up among the remaining superconference schools.

Whoever is on the go/no go line will be either totally despondent or walking in the clouds. It's going to be the Baylors, Marylands etc that won't know the soft landing spots.

That would just suck not to know. And watch out for Baylor, they may sue everyone.

Look at the networks and current contracts I'm play and tell me how telling Baylor , wake, etc. to get out will not cause some legal action. Acc has set themselves up perfectly. They will not fold. There is no reason. Best course if action will be for the existing 5. To expand to 16. Or get to / stay at 14. I think the networks will want 16.

Your saying what you want to happen, I'm saying what will probably happen. There is a difference

You misunderstood me. I was speaking to a hypothetical that if everything goes to those 64 teams some schools will be on that line of go(you're in) or no go (no conference for you).

That would suck to not know if you were safe or not.

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At this time. The SEC can wait till the best teams become available. I have been following realignment for decades and each time the SEC has come away with a state flagship school in a new market that held either the #1 or #2 position.

Arkansas = state flagship in single state school and #1 in market
South Carolina = state flagship school and #2 in market at time. Now #1
Missouri = state flagship in single state school and #1 in market
TAMU = state flagship school and #2 in market at time. Will challenge for #1

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let us know when some of the Big XII schools are interested then, because ACC schools aren't coming...

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It is realignment and not expansion and I get it very well.

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realignment is the result of expansion numbnuts...

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The realignment of the past few years was to reduce the number of conferences. If you can not see this simple fact then look before you respond

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not really, its about markets, pure and simple....Expansion has actually been a pretty big failure for the other conferences. That's why the Big XII is staying at 10 teams

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Granted it is about where the SEC Network can be grown (and why FSU and Clemson will never get in) but there is a caveat that in the end you are looking at 4 conferences and 64 teams total.

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1st part is right, second part is imaginary speculation...

What's the incentive for the PAC 12 or the Big XII to go to 16?? Who the hell would the PAC 12 add?? If you think East Carolina is bad, wait till you see expansion candidates to get the PAC 12 to PAC 16...

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You do realize all 3 B1G additions were AAU at the time
You do realize both of the SEC additions were AAU at the time
You do realize Colorado was AAU when they joined the PAC

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no one in the SEC cares about the freaking AAU....that's retarded

Just because the B1G is all about the research doesn't mean everyone else is...

what a bunch of long-winded CRAP in that post....

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