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Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:11 pm to Rockerbraves
Not sure about a team losing a conference championship and still going. But I do know in 2001 Nebraska did not play in the big 12 championship a made it to the NC.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:14 pm to TT9
if they lose, they will be lucky to go to ANY BCS game.
They will drop like a stone if the voters have the least pretext to dump them.
They will drop like a stone if the voters have the least pretext to dump them.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:15 pm to Rockerbraves
quote:I think you are still missing the point. The OPs question is should AU go? To answer, you look at the teams in a position to go and see who is most deserving. I think AU is.
Rockerbraves
One could make the argument that a team that doesn't win their conference championship game shouldn't go and I am fine with that. Of course, the counter argument is that the PAC 10 teams and the Big 10 teams don't have to play a conference championship, so they have an unfair advantage.
Oregon didn't have to beat Stanford twice and Wisconsin didn't have to beat OSU twice or MSU once.
However, the bottom line is AU almost certainly will not go if they lose to USCe, and, as I have stated, I am ok with that.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:22 pm to ottothewise
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if they lose, they will be lucky to go to ANY BCS game.
Totally disagree. Big 10 and PAC 10 already have 2 representatives (projected) + 6 AQ spots. That leaves 2 more for TCU and ______. Auburn will go before a 2nd Big 12 team, Boise State, or a 2 loss SEC team.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:24 pm to WDE24
quote:I think you are missing the point. The question isn't should Auburn go to the BCS title game? It is should they IF they lose to South Carolina?
I think you are still missing the point. The OPs question is should AU go? To answer, you look at the teams in a position to go and see who is most deserving. I think AU is.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:25 pm to Rockerbraves
quote:Nope, I got that part and my posts have been about that. Your's mostly have not.
I think you are missing the point. The question isn't should Auburn go to the BCS title game? It is should they IF they lose to South Carolina?
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:28 pm to Rockerbraves
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The reason why it matters is because Auburn would not even be a conference champ.
Ok - then who should play if Oregon and Auburn lose?
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:28 pm to TT9
Did Alabama get to go to the National Championship after losing to Florida? No we didn't. Why should auburn get to go if they lose the SEC Championship?
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:29 pm to WDE24
How is that? Thought I gave sound reasons why they might not go.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:32 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:Now that is a completely different question. TCU for certain. Then either Auburn or Oregon
Ok - then who should play if Oregon and Auburn lose?
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:32 pm to bamaboy87
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Did Alabama get to go to the National Championship after losing to Florida? No we didn't. Why should auburn get to go if they lose the SEC Championship?
For a rematch of a game that was just played? Completely different situation.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:39 pm to Rockerbraves
Auburn would still remain at 1 or 2 in most of the computers, so they would still remain ahead of TCU in that part of the BCS calculation.
However, the only way Auburn can stay ahead is by having the voters organize and vote them at 2.
For example(I stress, this is an example) say Oregon beats Oregon State and is a straight 1 across the board in the human polls and computers. Their BCS average will be .1000
Auburn is 2(.960) in the computers and TCU is 3(.920)
Say TCU gets every #2 vote in both polls(.960 and .960) and Auburn gets every #3 vote in both polls. (.920 and .920)
If this happened, TCU's BCS average would be .9467 and Auburn's would be .9333
Even with the computer edge Auburn would not have enough
Yes, Auburn will still probably get some #2 votes, but they will also get votes at #4 and #5 as well. TCU probably won't do any worse than a #3 vote. Also, teams like Wisconsin and Stanford could easily grab some #2 or #3 votes as well away from Auburn.
Basically, it would require a massive organized voter drive in favor of Auburn to vote them at #2, and that just won't happen. I don't see the human voters unifying like that and being on the same page. Especially with Cam Gate.
However, the only way Auburn can stay ahead is by having the voters organize and vote them at 2.
For example(I stress, this is an example) say Oregon beats Oregon State and is a straight 1 across the board in the human polls and computers. Their BCS average will be .1000
Auburn is 2(.960) in the computers and TCU is 3(.920)
Say TCU gets every #2 vote in both polls(.960 and .960) and Auburn gets every #3 vote in both polls. (.920 and .920)
If this happened, TCU's BCS average would be .9467 and Auburn's would be .9333
Even with the computer edge Auburn would not have enough
Yes, Auburn will still probably get some #2 votes, but they will also get votes at #4 and #5 as well. TCU probably won't do any worse than a #3 vote. Also, teams like Wisconsin and Stanford could easily grab some #2 or #3 votes as well away from Auburn.
Basically, it would require a massive organized voter drive in favor of Auburn to vote them at #2, and that just won't happen. I don't see the human voters unifying like that and being on the same page. Especially with Cam Gate.
This post was edited on 12/3/10 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:41 pm to accnodefense
quote:I think it is also possible if all the number 2 votes get split fairly evenly between TCU, Auburn, Wisonsin and Stanford. AU's advantage in the computers MIGHT be enough to get them there.
Basically, it would require a massive organized voter drive in favor of Auburn to vote them at #2, and that just won't happen.
This post was edited on 12/3/10 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:53 pm to accnodefense
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accnodefense
If Auburn loses, there is no way TCU doesn't play for the BCSNC.
That's not the question...it's whether they should.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 1:08 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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If Auburn loses, there is no way TCU doesn't play for the BCSNC.
That's not the question...it's whether they should.
That's a tough question. Auburn definately has the better body of work and the better wins. I guess TCU's only arugment is that they haven't lost a game.
Auburn has the better resume, which is why they are ahead of the Frogs right now. A loss changes that though.
I guess in the case of 2 undefeated teams, you can't go wrong with matchup up the two remaining unbeatens. This isn't like 2007 or 2008 when you are trying to find the possible best team with a loss.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 1:16 pm to accnodefense
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accnodefense
Agree. Solid argument for TCU and Auburn. TCU would be undefeated and Auburn would have 1 loss on top 10 SoS, which will only improve after playing USCe. If Oregon loses, I think TCU has the better resume (undefeated and similar SoS - #84 TCU vs #74 for Oregon)
Posted on 12/3/10 at 1:16 pm to accnodefense
If they lose no. I would go with Wisconsin as the next best team in the country over a undefeated TCU who has played the little sisters of the poor all year. I can say that because I am not the president of tOSU.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 1:17 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
what about wisconsin?
Posted on 12/3/10 at 1:17 pm to TT9
not if they lose the SEC.....
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