re: SEC tells Kiffin to shut up; threatens suspension

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Oh ok, so if Tennessee had fallen on the ball, it would have been a dead ball foul on Cody while TN had possession (if the flag was thrown). Since the game can't end on a defensive penalty and it would have been 4th down, UT would have gotten a rekick, but since mclain recovered, the point is moot.

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I just re-watched on DVR and the line judge was looking at Mclain and pointing at the live ball on the ground... hmmmmmmmmmm

Seriously it did happen.

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Most importantly he has officially complained to the SEC Commissioner re the flagrant non-call of Cody ripping off his helmet in a live ball situation when the ball was still bouncing behind the line of scrimmage- meaning UT could still advance it. The video clearly showed the ball bouncing behind the LOS and Cody ripping off his helmet at the same time. It wasn't a dead ball foul. The game can't end on a penalty so there should have been a 15 yd penalty against Bama and a re kick. Also that is an AUTOMATIC call in the college game- not a judgment call

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Your head coach really isn't that dumb is he?

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this I got in a discussion about this with someone earlier in the season because i had heard announcers say to kick on 3rd down so that if you miss you rekick on 4th down nuy I was told once you kick the ball changes possesion.

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You can kick on third down and if the hold is bad you can cover up the ball and re-kick on fourth down. Once you kick, you can't kick again unless there is a penalty.

Also, I don't understand why the play in question would have to be a dead ball foul. It could have been called a personal foul on Cody since he obviously ripped his helment off while the ball was still rolling around and the clock was on 1 second on the clock. If the penalty occured DURING the play, it is a re-kick. Is the SEC saying taking off your helment can ONLY be a dead ball foul?

I don't think it would have mattered since the UT kicker failed to get 2 kicks in a row more than 6 feet off the ground at the LOS.

Here is the breakdown on all scenarios of the kick and the penalty.

A. The kick went past the line of scrimmage=Bamas ball, no matter who recovers it, penalty is dead ball foul with no time left. Game is over.

B. The kick did not pass the line of scrimmage, Bama recovers it, Bama ball, the penalty is a dead ball foul, time has expired, game over.

C. The kick is on fourth down, did not pass the line of scrimmage, UT recovers it, they could then advance it for a touchdown, but would not get a rekick because the penalty is a dead ball foul, time expired, the game is over.

D. The kick is on third down, and blocked short of the line of scrimmage, UT recovers it, they could advance it for a touchdown, but no chance of rekick because it was a deadball foul, time has expired and the game is over.

If the penalty was not a dead ball foul, then the game couldn't end, if time was left on the clock, the game couldn't end. But none of that was the case, plus Bama recovered it.

WE WON!!!! But for clarification the refs should have thrown the flag, then explained what happened and that the game is over.

Just think of it this way, a guy catches a pass and showboats down the sideline as time is expiring and it hits 0:00 before he enters the endzone. Would they call a TD? Yes they would, would they make the teams line up and kickoff? No they wouldn't!

DEAD BALL FOUL + NO TIME = GAME OVER!

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You lost the game because you didn't make the kick.

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Let me rephrase that, any game that is lost due to ref error is unacceptable. I wasn't pin pointing our game but thanks for explaining how we lost

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You can kick on third down and if the hold is bad you can cover up the ball and re-kick on fourth down. Once you kick, you can't kick again unless there is a penalty.

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thank you I wondered why I kept hearing announcers say that. I used to umpire baseball games for the schools and I thought baseball rules were too confusing

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Had Tenn made an effort to go after the ball and fall on it, then yes they would have a beef on no flag being thrown, and have a legit gripe. Since Bama recovered the ball, it is all a moot point.

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Tennessee's players thought Cody had the ball due to the way he took off down the field after the block. Turns out it was his helmet he had in his hands and not the ball.

As I stated earlier, the line judge looked at Rolando Mclain and pointed at the ball as it lay on the ground. I think it was just a gut reaction that everyone would have but still funny as hell when brought into context.

Well its like when teams and fans storm the field when there are two seconds left on the clock and its obvious the game is over, no one ever bitches about a flag not being called for that.

Kiffin probably would tough.

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The bottom line is this two teams played extremely hard but our kicker costs us the game because he is a frick up.

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