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re: SEC teams odds to win 2012-2013 BCS championship
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:27 pm to secfan123
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:27 pm to secfan123
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so you're saying the coach that was too stupid to give his team its best chance to win the title is gonna get alot smarter in the off season?
putting in Mett and Lee wouldn't have necessarily given us a better chance. It couldn't have hurt at the moment, but our o-line was playing like shite so i don't think it wouldv'e matter.
and don't forget....that coach that you think is so stupid went 13-0 with an SEC championship last season and beat a coach that was too stupid to realize his FG kicker with a long of 38 yards couldn't punch through 72 yarders on the reg.
so lets cool it with the name calling
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Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:28 pm to Party At LSU
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It's "Roll Tide Roll, around the bowl down the hole."
Anyway, that doesn't matter. What I find hilarious is that, discussed throughout this thread, is the fact that luck is needed along with talent and execution in order to win a national championship.
An LSU fan pointed out that last year, Bama needed luck to get to the championship game, which cannot be disputed.
Then came the typical "butthurt, didn't cross the 50, etc... yada yada." Just can't even make a factual observation to some of you. If it's not 24/7 bama buttkissing then you have no interest.
SOME OF YOU
Well first off, its because some of your LSU brethren have adamantly used that as some kind of excuse since Jan 9th. It's like their retort to us beating the ever living frick out of LSU 21-0. "Oh yeah, well you shouldnt have even been there!!" Well, we obviously should have been there more than LSU judging by the scoreboard so not sure how that works out since the whole idea is to have the 2 best teams in the country. Not the 2 teams that played the hardest schedules and beat every single team they played and had their way with all the girlfriends of the opposing teams players etc etc etc.
And secondly, your entire post reeks of butthurt.
Just sayin.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:30 pm to TigerKnights
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:31 pm to Choctaw
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and don't forget....that coach that you think is so stupid went 13-0 with an SEC championship last season and beat a coach that was too stupid to realize his FG kicker with a long of 38 yards couldn't punch through 72 yarders on the reg.
Do we really need to go through a list of derp moments from both Coach Miles and Coach Saban and compare them side by side?
Yeah, I didnt really think you wanted to do that.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:32 pm to Choctaw
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putting in Mett and Lee wouldn't have necessarily given us a better chance. It couldn't have hurt at the moment, but our o-line was playing like shite so i don't think it wouldv'e matter.
and don't forget....that coach that you think is so stupid went 13-0 with an SEC championship last season and beat a coach that was too stupid to realize his FG kicker with a long of 38 yards couldn't punch through 72 yarders on the reg.
so lets cool it with the name calling
aw get your panties out of a wad. i was just pointing out the logical fallacy of that guy's argument.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:33 pm to NBamaAlum
You had to have like 4 fricking teams lose, yeah they were lucky.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:33 pm to secfan123
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so you're saying the coach that was too stupid to give his team its best chance to win the title is gonna get alot smarter in the off season?
He has no choice but to start Mett. Also to change his philosophy and throw the ball more. Or maybe he just realizes now that he has that option. Either way Miles is not stupid. He was just hella stubborn about JJ.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:34 pm to meldawg399
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you think Bama would've been in had OSU or Stanford gone undefeated?
No, because if they had gone undefeated, then they would have been viewed as the better team and therefore would have gone. But they werent better, and they showed it by losing to the likes of Iowa fricking St. The original Corndogs.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:34 pm to Outlaw
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You had to have like 4 fricking teams lose, yeah they were lucky.
2007 LSU agrees.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:35 pm to ThaKaptin
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It's like their retort to us beating the ever living frick out of LSU 21-0.
That's stupid, as getting to the championship game and what happened there are mutually exclusive.
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Well, we obviously should have been there more than LSU judging by the scoreboard
Again, see first comment.
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your entire post reeks of butthurt.
Oh, that's cool. Because I point out some fans shortsightedness I'm butthurt. K.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:35 pm to ThaKaptin
Just admit you were lucky to be there. We were lucky in '07. No shame in it.
The bottom line is there was no need for a BCS title game this past year; just like in '07, one team was at the top of the mountain. It was undisputed.
The problem with all playoffs (whether 8 teams, 4 teams, 2 teams, or 68 teams), more times than not, the best team over the course of a season doesn't win the playoff. What is the better indicator of which team is better? a one game playoff or 13 games during the season? Clearly the latter.
The bottom line is there was no need for a BCS title game this past year; just like in '07, one team was at the top of the mountain. It was undisputed.
The problem with all playoffs (whether 8 teams, 4 teams, 2 teams, or 68 teams), more times than not, the best team over the course of a season doesn't win the playoff. What is the better indicator of which team is better? a one game playoff or 13 games during the season? Clearly the latter.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:35 pm to Outlaw
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You had to have like 4 fricking teams lose, yeah they were lucky.
No, we were just better. Apparent by the fact that our only loss was to the, at that time believed, best team in the country, NOT Iowa St.
Don't confuse luck with difference of quality. Those teams didnt have it, Alabama did.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:40 pm to chilld28
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chilld28
And the guy was talking about someone else sobbing? That has to be one of the most cryass quotes I've ever seen. 
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:40 pm to meldawg399
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Just admit you were lucky to be there. We were lucky in '07. No shame in it.
We were lucky to go the entire season with minimal injuries and also to have a few plays go our way in some other games that affected their outcomes and therefore affect our position in the polls. But lets not take away from the fact that those were obviously inferior teams or they wouldnt have lost those games in the frist place to teams that were supposedly far less caliber. Alabama's only loss however turned out to be the second best team in the country and did so by a field goal in OT. Someone HAD to win that game, ties arent possible anymore, just so happened the better team didnt get the W and LSU edged out the win.
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The bottom line is there was no need for a BCS title game this past year; just like in '07, one team was at the top of the mountain. It was undisputed.
Obviously there was because your undisputed best team in the country got trained by a team that didnt even win their division. (am I doing that right)
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The problem with all playoffs (whether 8 teams, 4 teams, 2 teams, or 68 teams), more times than not, the best team over the course of a season doesn't win the playoff. What is the better indicator of which team is better? a one game playoff or 13 games during the season? Clearly the latter.
Clearly not since the team with the perfect record was clearly not the better of the 2 teams and was proven so with a rather large margin of error.
This post was edited on 4/16/12 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:40 pm to secfan123
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logical fallacy
Flawed logic <> logical fallacy <> disagreeing with you
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:41 pm to ThaKaptin
Bama was not relying on their own play down the stretch of the season to get them in the title game. They needed the other teams to lose to get in. Had anyone else gone undefeated (including probably Boise), Bama would've had fun in the Sugar Bowl with Michigan.
Alabama did not control their own destiny. They needed luck to get in (or other "weaker" teams to lose). They wouldn't have deserved to be in the game minus all 119 other teams in the country losing.
Alabama did not control their own destiny. They needed luck to get in (or other "weaker" teams to lose). They wouldn't have deserved to be in the game minus all 119 other teams in the country losing.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:42 pm to cyde
MetryTyger at his finest Posted today on the Tiger Rant
Posted today on the Tiger RantPosted on 4/16/12 at 2:43 pm to ThaKaptin
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Well first off, its because some of your LSU brethren have adamantly used that as some kind of excuse since Jan 9th. It's like their retort to us beating the ever living frick out of LSU 21-0. "Oh yeah, well you shouldnt have even been there!!" Well, we obviously should have been there more than LSU judging by the scoreboard so not sure how that works out since the whole idea is to have the 2 best teams in the country. Not the 2 teams that played the hardest schedules and beat every single team they played and had their way with all the girlfriends of the opposing teams players etc etc etc.
Tell that to the Saints. Do you think the Giants were the best NFL team? Do you think the Saints wouldn't have stomped them in the Dome and then beat the brakes off the Pats?
In the BCS the regular season is the playoffs so you shouldn't have got a second chance, better team or not. You should have been knocked out. That is simply the truth. If our shutout game had come on November 5th and our good game on January 9th the roles would be reversed. You got rewarded for losing at home plain and simple.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:44 pm to ThaKaptin
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Do we really need to go through a list of derp moments from both Coach Miles and Coach Saban and compare them side by side?
i can think of a few for both....but thats not my point. Calling a coach stupid after he just went 13-0 and won the SEC makes you look ignorant.
This post was edited on 4/16/12 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/16/12 at 2:44 pm to ThaKaptin
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No, we were just better. Apparent by the fact that our only loss was to the, at that time believed, best team in the country, NOT Iowa St.
I think a compromise can be reached:
We were fortunate that teams like Oklahoma State ended up being exposed for what they were. If they had won the cupcake games they were expected to, the illusion would have been maintained and the two best teams would not have played.
From that standpoint, the 'luck' argument is valid enough.
We just needed Okie Lite to be Okie Lite. They certainly delivered.
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