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re: SEC preparing anti-oversigning legislation for June meetings
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:39 pm to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:39 pm to Aubie Spr96
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So I guess there aren't any Bama fans against oversigning. Notice how all of them chose to deflect opposed to argue the merits of the issue.
As far as I know, there is not a single kid that has been thrown to the wolves. They've either finished their degree, remained in school on a hardship scholarship to finish a degree, transferred to finish their degree, or done something illegal. No one has been kicked to the curb. The only guy that seems to have had beef was Charlie Higgenbotham, who got an engineering degree from Alabama due to his medical hardship, and is working in a nice, cush job at the Mercedes plant in Tuscaloosa County.
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Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:45 pm to NYCAuburn
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What would you say about a coach promising a scolarship if he signs his LOI then doesnt give him the scholly because too many qaulified. Then does not let him out of his LOI to attend another school.
I would say it sucks. Unfortunately, this happens sometimes, and not just in the SEC. I would be very surprised if Saban was guilty of this though. He is all about PR and that would be a PR nightmare if the player decided to talk to a reporter about it.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:45 pm to CapstoneGrad06
just to state this again as far as my opinion.
I dont think it is any school in particluars fault. However, they do somewhat exploit the situation with the sssue i have about oversigning(Not being released from LOI or being able to transfer to a school of their choosing), It is the NCAA's fault
I dont think it is any school in particluars fault. However, they do somewhat exploit the situation with the sssue i have about oversigning(Not being released from LOI or being able to transfer to a school of their choosing), It is the NCAA's fault
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:46 pm to ThaKaptin
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I would say it sucks. Unfortunately, this happens sometimes, and not just in the SEC. I would be very surprised if Saban was guilty of this though. He is all about PR and that would be a PR nightmare if the player decided to talk to a reporter about it.
For the record, I never once accused Saban. I have been just talking about my issues with oversigning
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:50 pm to NYCAuburn
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Do you have any numbers or evidence to back this hypocrisy you state?
How many players has Chiz signed? 84 in 3 years?
Yet you are still under the 85 limit? Of course you will have academic casualties like other programs, but where do the rest disappear to? Theres an entire class missing. How is your attrition any better for the athlete than Alabama's?
You guys can carry the oversigning banners and point at Bama all you want, but it all seems so shallow when you look at what your school is doing. Like I said, AU is nothing but a revolving door, in and right back out, and that is somehow supposed to be better for the athlete than what Saban is accused of?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:53 pm to NYCAuburn
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For the record, I never once accused Saban. I have been just talking about my issues with oversigning
No you didnt, it just sounded like you were establishing an undertone that suggested it.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:56 pm to attheua
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How many players has Chiz signed? 84 in 3 years?
Yet you are still under the 85 limit? Of course you will have academic casualties like other programs, but where do the rest disappear to? Theres an entire class missing. How is your attrition any better for the athlete than Alabama's?
You guys can carry the oversigning banners and point at Bama all you want, but it all seems so shallow when you look at what your school is doing. Like I said, AU is nothing but a revolving door, in and right back out, and that is somehow supposed to be better for the athlete than what Saban is accused of?
Again, Any actual numbers to prove your point? because that number proves nothing towards your statement and Auburn's Hypocrisy. When and if you actually find some numbers that prove a point, please compare them to Bama
And you might want to actually read the post I have made in this thread.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 1:59 pm to attheua
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How many players has Chiz signed? 84 in 3 years?
Yet you are still under the 85 limit? Of course you will have academic casualties like other programs, but where do the rest disappear to? Theres an entire class missing. How is your attrition any better for the athlete than Alabama's?
You guys can carry the oversigning banners and point at Bama all you want, but it all seems so shallow when you look at what your school is doing. Like I said, AU is nothing but a revolving door, in and right back out, and that is somehow supposed to be better for the athlete than what Saban is accused of?
I do think that there could be a rational limit placed on number of recruits allowed over a 4 year period... esp when a decent number of kids redshirt I think it would be reasonable have somewhere around 85-95 be the limit in a four year period.
I know that would be a real change in policy for a lot of schools... and granted there are kids that drop out, transfer, etc but I do worry about there being too many kids recruited for a fixed number of roster spots in some places
Coaches are not necessarily being unethical if they tell kids up front they may lose their scholarship after a year or two... but I worry that too much competition in some places is built into the system and that doesn't help the individual kids as much as the school
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:05 pm to molsusports
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do think that there could be a rational limit placed on number of recruits allowed over a 4 year period... esp when a decent number of kids redshirt I think it would be reasonable have somewhere around 85-95 be the limit in a four year period.
yes, but it should be an enrollment based number and not a LOI signed number
ETA: qualified enrollees. if not they could still drop a guy or so if the sign too many and too many qaulify, each year
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Coaches are not necessarily being unethical if they tell kids up front they may lose their scholarship after a year or two
Not at all, and I have no issues with this. In any place in the good ole USA, you either make it or don't. And if you dont, your arse is gone.
However, they should be allowed to enroll where ever they choose, if cut from a team for performance reasons.
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but I worry that too much competition in some places is built into the system and that doesn't help the individual kids as much as the school
Maybe they should institue a academic scholly rule or something, but with limitations.
This post was edited on 5/23/11 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:22 pm to Aubie Spr96
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So I guess there aren't any Bama fans against oversigning. Notice how all of them chose to deflect opposed to argue the merits of the issue.
I have no problem whatsoever with over-signing. It's not against NCAA rules. Any coach that uses the rules to their benefit, more power to him. IMO, more schools/coaches should use the rules to their advantage.
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College football shouldn't be pro football. It shouldn't be a developmental league for the NFL that is subsidized by federal and state tax dollars. Did all of y'all raise hell about the scholarship limits going down to (85)? That was a move clearly intended to make college football more competitive across the board (like the NFL salary cap).
^^This statment is funny to me, coming from an Aub.
You've got former AU players admitting publically to being "subsidized" by AU asst coaches and boosters while they played at AU.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:31 pm to RT1941
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You've got former AU players admitting publically to being "subsidized" by AU asst coaches and boosters while they played at AU.
Deflect. Nice. The NCAA is all over this I hear.
The days of the Bear being able to sign 100 eleven million kids to scholarships are over. People found a way around this by oversigning, but it looks like that might finally be ending too.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:39 pm to Aubie Spr96
*Yawn*
Prepare these kids for the real world.
If you don't cut the mustard on academics you lose your scholarship.
The exact same should apply for athletics.
Prepare these kids for the real world.
If you don't cut the mustard on academics you lose your scholarship.
The exact same should apply for athletics.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:44 pm to attheua
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How many players has Chiz signed? 84 in 3 years?
Yet you are still under the 85 limit? Of course you will have academic casualties like other programs, but where do the rest disappear to? Theres an entire class missing. How is your attrition any better for the athlete than Alabama's?
Stop repeating this same garbage over and over.
Go look at who actually enrolled in school from those classes then come back with something new. I know it's a difficult concept, but we aren't talking about over-signing for the 25 limit.
Thanks.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:51 pm to smelvis
After a lot of consideration:
Statler Brothers > Oak Ridge Boys
Statler Brothers > Oak Ridge Boys
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:55 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:They damn well should be ~ this is not the freaking NFL where players get PAID to play football. IMO, Troy Reddick's interview was the most damaging to AU ~ he was asked by the coaching staff to change his major to make more time for football.
Deflect. Nice. The NCAA is all over this I hear.
Do you still think the kids are playing a game in order to get a college degree?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:55 pm to ThaKaptin
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Oh well, as I said earlier, Saban will laugh at this. He will find away around it just like he finds ways around everything else. People keep saying they think Saban is dirty, but what they dont realize is he is very much not. He spends all his time finding ways to skirt rules while staying within them. This is why he is worth every penny of the ginormous salary we pay him. He is innovative. He stays on the very cutting edge of his job at all times because he works his arse off all the time. This is what makes other coaches upset, he makes them look bad by cause he works twice as hard as they do.
Because white Alabama gonna do what it gonna do. Aiight? Aiight?
Is that kind of what you're saying?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 2:56 pm to smelvis
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Because white Alabama gonna do what it gonna do. Aiight? Aiight?
Is that kind of what you're saying?
Ummm, when was the last time you visited this state?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 3:00 pm to smelvis
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Because white Alabama gonna do what it gonna do. Aiight? Aiight? Is that kind of what you're saying?
Did you seriously just say that?!?!
Come back and talk to me when you have a serious argumant.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 3:00 pm to RT1941
Last year.
What does that have to do with the "good ole boy, fat white southern guy network" being okay with doing anything, including dishonoring scholarship offers and cutting kids off the foozball team because they weren't as good as they're supposed to be in order to make room for better in order to win a football game?
What does that have to do with the "good ole boy, fat white southern guy network" being okay with doing anything, including dishonoring scholarship offers and cutting kids off the foozball team because they weren't as good as they're supposed to be in order to make room for better in order to win a football game?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 3:02 pm to RT1941
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I do know that many football rosters are made up of young men that are given an opportunity to receive a college education due to their athleticism.
How many of those athletic darlings actually take advantage of the opportunity and go on to graduate?
And, of those that do get their diploma, how many have degrees that have some value in the job market? Not much use for a degree in General Studies, Basket Weaving or African Cultural Studies.
Of course, there's always the ever present ego driven alumnus that own a company/business
who'll hire any ex-athlete as a status symbol. Most of em wont ever have to worry about employment after their playing days are over.
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