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re: SEC Officiating - Bias
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:17 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:17 am to pvilleguru
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I'm saying Bama is benefitting only because Bama is the best. If UGA or LSU were the best right now, they would be benefitting.
I don't agree with that, either.
Exactly. LSU benefitted a helluva lot last week.
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:19 am to Dawgfanman
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If your theory is correct and UGA has one loss and Bama zero in the SECC, then the refs should be biased to UGA. A UGA win means both likely make the CFP.
I think it would be whatever gives the best chance of 2 making it in. If LSU wins out and is right outside the top 4, it may be better for Bama to win out.
The SEC will do whatever is in the SEC's financial best interest.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:20 am to BamaGradinTn
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Exactly. LSU benefitted a helluva lot last week.
Really? How many points did LSU score with all those missed holding calls? I think LSU got more go their way than usually cause of the ruckus they caused and the nation was watching. It still didn't affect the outcome. I think if LSU really started threatening, those holds would have been called.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:23 am to LSUStjames
I mean I could see it. Kinda felt that way last week with the refs letting LSU get away with So many calls. Could be Sec was trying to get two teams in playoffs ? 
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:24 am to LSUStjames
That probably is the case. But now since they made Bama the top program, they have the officials as bad as they were in the peak Bear years.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:26 am to LSUStjames
Opponent's Penalties
Name G Pen. Yards Pen./G Yards/G
4 LSU 10 84 756 8.4 75.6
28 South Carolina 9 65 584 7.2 64.9
29 Kentucky 10 80 648 8.0 64.8
41 Missouri 10 70 606 7.0 60.6
46 Texas A&M 10 67 596 6.7 59.6
58 Auburn 10 75 572 7.5 57.2
67 Mississippi 10 61 553 6.1 55.3
71 Florida 10 67 551 6.7 55.1
75 Vanderbilt 10 66 542 6.6 54.2
86 Arkansas 10 62 523 6.2 52.3
87 Alabama 10 63 521 6.3 52.1
119 Tennessee 10 55 393 5.5 39.3
122 Georgia 10 49 376 4.9 37.6
125 Mississippi St 10 50 366 5.0 36.6
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Penalties
Name G Pen. Yards Pen./G Yards/G
15 Vanderbilt 10 55 416 5.5 41.6
34 Tennessee 10 59 474 5.9 47.4
39 Alabama 10 55 490 5.5 49.0
54 Arkansas 10 56 519 5.6 51.9
65 Texas A&M 10 68 548 6.8 54.8
68 LSU 10 56 553 5.6 55.3
71 Mississippi St 10 65 563 6.5 56.3
72 Georgia 10 64 565 6.4 56.5
73 South Carolina 9 58 510 6.4 56.7
77 Kentucky 10 64 580 6.4 58.0
80 Auburn 10 68 589 6.8 58.9
86 Missouri 10 69 607 6.9 60.7
95 Florida 10 78 645 7.8 64.5
107 Mississippi 10 75 689 7.5 68.9
Name G Pen. Yards Pen./G Yards/G
4 LSU 10 84 756 8.4 75.6
28 South Carolina 9 65 584 7.2 64.9
29 Kentucky 10 80 648 8.0 64.8
41 Missouri 10 70 606 7.0 60.6
46 Texas A&M 10 67 596 6.7 59.6
58 Auburn 10 75 572 7.5 57.2
67 Mississippi 10 61 553 6.1 55.3
71 Florida 10 67 551 6.7 55.1
75 Vanderbilt 10 66 542 6.6 54.2
86 Arkansas 10 62 523 6.2 52.3
87 Alabama 10 63 521 6.3 52.1
119 Tennessee 10 55 393 5.5 39.3
122 Georgia 10 49 376 4.9 37.6
125 Mississippi St 10 50 366 5.0 36.6
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Penalties
Name G Pen. Yards Pen./G Yards/G
15 Vanderbilt 10 55 416 5.5 41.6
34 Tennessee 10 59 474 5.9 47.4
39 Alabama 10 55 490 5.5 49.0
54 Arkansas 10 56 519 5.6 51.9
65 Texas A&M 10 68 548 6.8 54.8
68 LSU 10 56 553 5.6 55.3
71 Mississippi St 10 65 563 6.5 56.3
72 Georgia 10 64 565 6.4 56.5
73 South Carolina 9 58 510 6.4 56.7
77 Kentucky 10 64 580 6.4 58.0
80 Auburn 10 68 589 6.8 58.9
86 Missouri 10 69 607 6.9 60.7
95 Florida 10 78 645 7.8 64.5
107 Mississippi 10 75 689 7.5 68.9
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:27 am to viceman
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In fact the stats say the refs are harder on Bama and easier on their opponents, every year.
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every year
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:28 am to LSUStjames
The Michael Jordan effect?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:29 am to Bear88
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I mean I could see it. Kinda felt that way last week with the refs letting LSU get away with So many calls. Could be Sec was trying to get two teams in playoffs ?
That's exactly what's going on IMO. They are trying to get either LSU or UGA in as a second team. Whichever has the best chance. How many millions to the conference for that second team making it in?
Here's the kicker - All the universities benefit, we split the money evenly. One of the absolute best things about the SEC that a lot of other conference don't do. Even when you team is 2-8 (Arkansas), they benefit just as much as Bama financially.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:30 am to Bear88
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Kinda felt that way last week with the refs letting LSU get away with So many calls. Could be Sec was trying to get two teams in playoffs ?
No bro...it was more like the SEC knew the National media was paying attention and they swallowed their whistle a little more than normal.
But they were back in prime form for Bama - Miss State
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:34 am to TDFreak
Y'all tell me...is this a fumble? Bc it sure as hell looks like it. This was called down and led to a Florida td.
ETA: we recovered this fwiw.
ETA: we recovered this fwiw.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:39 am to Carolina_Girl
Must have been a fumble. Refs only miss calls in Bama games.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:40 am to Carolina_Girl
quote:I have no idea.
Y'all tell me...is this a fumble? Bc it sure as hell looks like it. This was called down and led to a Florida td.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:42 am to LSUStjames
Think about this logically..Bama didn’t need good calls to beat MSU or anyone this season. A loss to MSU does nothing to harm Bamas playoff chances. Why amidst all this this public crying would they “protect” Bama from a 20 point dog at home?
You people are just sore losers. Y’all have actually created a culture of crying in your fanbase. It was humorous at first because no one thought yall were actually serious. Now its sad
You people are just sore losers. Y’all have actually created a culture of crying in your fanbase. It was humorous at first because no one thought yall were actually serious. Now its sad
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:43 am to LSUStjames
And the Valley shook did a deep dive on this a couple years back, the statistical evidence states very clearly that SEC refs suck across the board, in every game, for every team.
Now, how cfb and the NFL keep the gamblers from interfering is amazing.
Now, how cfb and the NFL keep the gamblers from interfering is amazing.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:46 am to bamafan1001
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Think about this logically..Bama didn’t need good calls to beat MSU or anyone this season. A loss to MSU does nothing to harm Bamas playoff chances. Why amidst all this this public crying would they “protect” Bama from a 20 point dog at home?
As a fan, you'd like to believe that, but momentum plays a huge factor in football. Bama scoring on the first series all year has set the tone for those games and their season in general. Bad teams beat good teams all the time with a few lucky bounces and momentum on their side.
The SEC needs Bama to win out right now. The only way I think we see it different, is if it makes sense for UGA to beat BAMA in the SECCG to get 2 in. Then I think we see UGA get calls.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:47 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:2nd best crew behind hubert owens.....most consistent crew in the sec....not perfect but i have no problem with either
When the hell are we going to get David Smith in a game?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:48 am to TDFreak
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No bro...it was more like the SEC knew the National media was paying attention and they swallowed their whistle a little more than normal. But they were back in prime form for Bama - Miss State
Kinda like the mentality of our country right now. Everybody is a victim (losers) usually with conspiracy theories or “we got cheated” claims. My players at my high school are the same way, never lose a game, always someone else’s fault.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:54 am to LSUStjames
If Bama doesn’t win the SEC this season then we are not getting in the playoffs. The committee won’t put Bama in without a conference championship two years in a row. The “Bama fatigue” factor will not allow that to occur plus Notre Dame and Clemson will win out so those two spots are taken. The winner of Ohio St. - Michigan is in. Bama will not get that last spot with a loss in Atlanta.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:56 am to LSUStjames
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It's more subtle than that. Its not about calling everything in sight or not calling. Its about affecting the momentum of the game. Its typically what's not called as those are easier to explain away, than what is called. Not calling holding calls against LSU when LSU's offense can't even get a first down is not affecting the momentum of a game. Calling State's TD back or not calling the fumble on the first series are both momentum affecting.
Oh frick it, I’ll play. So this allegation is rather specific in it’s application, at very specific times. This isn’t the “Michael Jordan” unintentional bias people have written about, it’s more deliberate than that. So my question to you is how do the go about applying the game plan? So the refs have a conference call with Birmingham before each game where Birmingham tells them how they must affect that game’s momentum?
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