re: SEC coaches records vs final AP top 25 teams

Posted by Tideroller

Lower Alabama

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:46 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior

Saban has compiled a 274-67-1 (.803) record, including a 183-25 (.880) mark in Tuscaloosa. I'm not sure where the 51 losses come from, but they weren't in Tuscaloosa. That would mean 51 of his total of 67 losses were to top 25 teams, which is possible I guess.

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Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan

Member since Jun 2017

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:47 pm to Tideroller

Some supposedly great coaches have some pretty piss poor records against final ranked teams.

Johnny Vaught @ Ole Miss: 28-34-4 .45455
Vince Dooley @ Georgia: 30-49-5 .38690
Frank Broyles @ Arkansas: 19-33-1 .36792
Shug Jordan @ Auburn: 29-53-1 .35542
Johnny Majors @ Tennessee: 14-35-6 .30909
Wally Butts @ Georgia: 11-40-2 .22642

This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 3:49 pm

Posted by MedDawg

Member since Dec 2009

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:55 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior

I remember about Mullen was that we didn't play many #18-25 teams. That was part of his bad record against the Top 25. They were either unranked or Top 15, often top 5. If they were #20 and he beat them, they didn't finish in the top 25.

Posted by TeLeFaWx

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:57 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior

This is a much better stat.

Posted by meansonny

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:02 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior

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Discuss & nitpick as you see fit

I think total wins is probably the most important component to the stat.

Winning percentage is probably second and provides great context.

You aren't supposed to win a lot of games against a top 5 opponent. Just getting any is impressive.

Extrapolate that down to the majority of programs and the scale slides:
You aren't supposed to win a lot of games against top 10 opponents.
Or you aren't supposed to win a lot of games against top 15 opponents.
Etc.. etc..

Posted by Knowshon5Dolla

Atlanta

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:02 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior

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5. Josh Heupel: 6-10 (.375)
6. Hugh Freeze: 10-20 (.333)
7. Shane Beamer: 2-5 (.286)
8. Billy Napier: 3-9 (.250)
9. Steve Sarkisian: 7-28 (.200)
10. Mark Stoops: 5-28 (.152)
11. Lane Kiffin: 4-23 (.148)

This is the most eye opening section. I had no idea Lane was so lame. And Heupel the savior is 6-10??? Wow.

Posted by The_Ultimate_Warrior

Member since Mar 2019

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:00 pm to Tideroller

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Saban has compiled a 274-67-1 (.803) record, including a 183-25 (.880) mark in Tuscaloosa. I'm not sure where the 51 losses come from, but they weren't in Tuscaloosa. That would mean 51 of his total of 67 losses were to top 25 teams, which is possible I guess.

4 of his losses at Alabama have come against teams that finished unranked in the AP poll.

2021 A&M
2007 ULM
2007 Miss St
2007 Florida St

He had 4 while he was at LSU
6 at Michigan State
2 at Toledo

Posted by NawFoo

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:59 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior

One of the better threads posted as of late

Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:56 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior

Notable SEC coaches and their record (s) against final ranked teams (AP and Coaches):

Nick Saban (Bama): .70370 (57-24)
Kirby Smart (UGA): .68571 (24-11)
Steve Spurrier (Florida): .61594 (42-26-1
Gene Stallings (Bama): .61290 (19-12)
Bear Bryant (Bama): .58523 (49-34-5)
Robert Neyland (Vols): .50000 (15-15-3)
Urban Meyer (Florida): .50000 (14-14)
Phil Fulmer (Vols): .49367 (39-40)
Frank Thomas (Bama): .48276 (13-14-2)
Nick Saban (LSU): .47826 (11-12)
Johnny Vaught (Ole Miss): .45455 (28-34-4)
Les Miles (LSU): .45652 (21-25)
Paul Dietzel (LSU): .39583 (9-14-1)
Mark Richt (UGA): .39130 (27-42)
Vince Dooley (UGA): .38690 (30-49-5)
Pat Dye (Auburn): .38542 (17-28-3)
Shug Jordan (Auburn): .35542 (29-53-1)
Charles McClendon (LSU): .31538 (20-44-1)
Johnny Majors (Vols): .30909 (14-35-6)
Wally Butts (UGA): .22642 (11-40-2)

This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 10:40 pm

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Posted by koreandawg

South Korea

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:05 pm to DuckTalesLOL

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That's pretty dumb logic IMO.

So weeks 1-12 don't matter then?

Tell me you don't understand without saying you don't understand.

Posted by European Man Satchel

Member since Jul 2023

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:11 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan

Kirby is 23-9 (72.8 percent) from his second season on. That's some legendary shite!

Posted by Clark14

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:32 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan

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Wally Butts (UGA):

Imagine if he was the aggie coach now………….?

Posted by GeorgeReymond

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:34 pm to Tideroller

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I'm not sure where the 51 losses come from, but they weren't in Tuscaloosa.

Impressive cognitive skills. His career didn’t start in Tuscaloosa so it’s safe to assume that a few losses came at Toledo, Michigan State, and LSU.

Posted by Willie_Mac

Member since Jun 2022

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:57 pm to Clark14

Sam Pittman: 0-8 (.000)

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Posted by koreandawg

South Korea

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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:57 pm to Tideroller

Just used wikipedia and clicked on every team he lost to at Mich. St. and LSU. 29 ranked teams. He didn't lose to ranked team at Toledo. So he'd need 22 ranked losses at Bama. If it's not right, it's extremely close. Almost every loss he's had since 2007 is to a ranked team in the final poll. In 2007 he lost to Georgia, LSU and Auburn who were all ranked in the final poll.

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That would mean 51 of his total of 67 losses were to top 25 teams, which is possible I guess.

This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 11:01 pm

Posted by DawgsLife

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Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:35 am to DuckTalesLOL

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I mean, you can only beat the teams that are in front of you. If we beat someone, and then they continue to lose, not our fault.

If you lose to them, then yes. It is your fault. If they continue to lose, then it is a clear indication that they are not a top 25 team.

Posted by DawgsLife

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Member since Jun 2013

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Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:38 am to DuckTalesLOL

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That's pretty dumb logic IMO.

So weeks 1-12 don't matter then?

Of course they matter. They are a part of what goes in to determining if they are a top 25 team. You go 12-0 and lose in the SECCG and playoffs, and you will still be a top 25 team. You go 0-12 and nothing will make you a top 25 team.

Am I missing your point?