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Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:12 am to flyAU
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Read the thread for the answers to your question
I did, the only thing I have seen that makes any sense is that 5 schools can drive there easily. To which I say there are 9 that cannot.
Airport? Every major city has one with good airlines and flights. Almost every stadium has hotels and shops nearby.
Atlanta isn't the center of the conference anymore.
Are you really scared of the ACC taking over?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:26 am to 5thTiger
The ACC will move to the Georgia Dome anyway.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:07 am to TheRaid
quote:Wat
The ACC will move to the Georgia Dome anyway.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:11 am to 5thTiger
We already laid out the reason NOT to have it at other sites. Atlanta is the only one that does not have any negatives to it. Hence it stays in Atlanta.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:14 am to 5thTiger
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Airport? Every major city has one with good airlines and flights. Almost every stadium has hotels and shops nearby.
There are about 30 LARGE HUB and about 30 MEDIUM HUB airports in the US
LARGE HUBS
1 ATL = Atlanta, 47 million passengers (core, non stop flights to most SEC cities)
11 IAH = Houston, 20 million passengers (outlier, not core SEC)
15 MCO = Orlando, 17 million passengers (outlier, not core SEC)
Big difference in volume and ATL probably has direct non stop to most every SEC city
MEDIUM HUBS
31 STL = Saint Louis, 6 million passengers (outlier, not core SEC)
32 HOU = Houston, 6 million passengers (outlier, not core SEC)
33 BNA = Nashville, 5 million passengers (core SEC but no DOME and limited flights)
37 MSY = New Orleans, 5 million passengers (hard to get non stop from SEC cities)
Look I love NOLA but getting a last min flight (especially non stop) has been a major pain in the arse. I fly out of Nashville as well and I like the airport but it certainly is not my favorite for last min travel.
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Atlanta isn't the center of the conference anymore.
I hope you are not suggesting the center of the SEC sits in Saint Louis to Houston now? Center indicates in the middle and Columbia and College Station are far from the middle of the SEC. If you are going with the center, Atlanta / Nashville / Birmingham are the only large cities filling the bill.
Large MSA's in the SEC footprint (% = growth rate) LINK
Top 50
5 Houston (+6%) - good for TAMU and LSU but certainly not core SEC city
9 Atlanta (+4%) - core SEC
19 Saint Louis (0%) - good for Mizzou and Hogs but certainly not core SEC city
26 Orlando (+6%) - Good for Disney more than the SEC
28 Cincinnati (+1%) - good for MU, UK, UT, and VU but not exactly SEC dominant
36 Nashville (+5%) - core SEC
40 Jacksonville (+3%) - not core to SEC West
41 Memphis (+1%) - core SEC but no airport or dome (great if you are Fed Ex package tho)
43 Louisville (+2%) - good for MU, UK, UT, and VU but not exactly SEC dominant
45 New Orleans (+4%) - good for the West, not so good for the East
49 Birmingham (+1%) - core, and home to the mothership and Hoover
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Are you really scared of the ACC taking over?
Not of taking over, but if you keep them in check, you do so, it is good long term business.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:15 am to 5thTiger
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Airport? Every major city has one with good airlines and flights. Almost every stadium has hotels and shops nearby.
Do the other cities have transit as good as Atlanta has from the airport to hotels and the stadium?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:16 am to flyAU
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We already laid out the reason NOT to have it at other sites. Atlanta is the only one that does not have any negatives to it
Distance from other schools? If that is a negative for other locations, isn't that a negative for Atlanta?
The only people who don't see negatives are the ones who live closest. That should be pretty indicative of which schools staying in Atlanta favors.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:20 am to 5thTiger
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The only people who don't see negatives are the ones who live closest.
Hot Springs is closer to both STL and HOU. I would still favor ATL based on last min air availability.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:21 am to 5thTiger
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The only people who don't see negatives are the ones who live closest. That should be pretty indicative of which schools staying in Atlanta favors.
Fine, back to Legion field.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:22 am to 5thTiger
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The only people who don't see negatives are the ones who live closest. That should be pretty indicative of which schools staying in Atlanta favors.
What are the negatives, besides Atlanta not being near where you live?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:29 am to pvilleguru
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What are the negatives, besides Atlanta not being near where you live?
They like using arguments like "well you can't talk about price because you can drive there" and "it's a negative because of how far we are from it".
There are zero negatives to it being held in Atlanta. Every other site has them. Atlanta is built to host large events which means the cost to visitors is low compared to small markets.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:53 am to Cheese Grits
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Top 50
5 Houston (+6%) - good for TAMU and LSU but certainly not core SEC city
9 Atlanta (+4%) - core SEC
19 Saint Louis (0%) - good for Mizzou and Hogs but certainly not core SEC city
26 Orlando (+6%) - Good for Disney more than the SEC
28 Cincinnati (+1%) - good for MU, UK, UT, and VU but not exactly SEC dominant
36 Nashville (+5%) - core SEC
40 Jacksonville (+3%) - not core to SEC West
41 Memphis (+1%) - core SEC but no airport or dome (great if you are Fed Ex package tho)
43 Louisville (+2%) - good for MU, UK, UT, and VU but not exactly SEC dominant
45 New Orleans (+4%) - good for the West, not so good for the East
49 Birmingham (+1%) - core, and home to the mothership and Hoover
I'd be fine with each of these besides Birmingham. Logistics are important, which probably knock out Birmingham and Memphis. I wouldn't pick STL until they build their new stadium.
Spread around SEC exposure and economic benefits to multiple regions and parts of the SEC. Limiting exposure is just bad business.
SECCG competitors are pretty cut down weeks in advance...so its not like it is a quick turnaround to book a flight. Flying is only an issue for far away schools, which is the issue in and of itself.
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:19 pm to 5thTiger
quote:Atlanta is the only location that really limits the amount of fans that have to fly on average. Hosting it anywhere else pretty much guarantees at least one fan base will have to fly.
SECCG competitors are pretty cut down weeks in advance...so its not like it is a quick turnaround to book a flight. Flying is only an issue for far away schools, which is the issue in and of itself.
The SECCG will never be played outdoors again, so you can eliminate every stadium that doesn't have a dome or retractable roof. That eliminates Cincy, Memphis, Louisville, Orlando, Nashville, Jacksonville, and Birmingham.
That only leaves Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, St. Louis, and New Orleans from that list.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:20 pm to 5thTiger
There are big six bowl games:
Rose
Fiesta
Cotton
Orange
Sugar
Peach
These are chosen because of these sites being the best places for fans to travel to and the cities proven ability to hold large events. Only two of these are in the SEC region and Sugar Bowl committee has stated it will not allow for the SEC Championship to be in New Orleans. To not take advantage of the best city to hold it that is in the heart of the SEC would be incredibly foolish.
The ACC has tried so many different sites trying to find a home and now have to play outside in Charlotte in December.
Like it or not, domes do help the fan experience and Atlanta is the clear best choice.
Rose
Fiesta
Cotton
Orange
Sugar
Peach
These are chosen because of these sites being the best places for fans to travel to and the cities proven ability to hold large events. Only two of these are in the SEC region and Sugar Bowl committee has stated it will not allow for the SEC Championship to be in New Orleans. To not take advantage of the best city to hold it that is in the heart of the SEC would be incredibly foolish.
The ACC has tried so many different sites trying to find a home and now have to play outside in Charlotte in December.
Like it or not, domes do help the fan experience and Atlanta is the clear best choice.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:31 pm to 5thTiger
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SECCG competitors are pretty cut down weeks in advance...so its not like it is a quick turnaround to book a flight.
Do you fly much for sporting events?
Seems like when I flew through STL it was TWA most of the time. Delta is the ATL hub and serves the south. I think American and Southwest now hub STL and not Delta. Look at all 14 SEC schools and based on my travel in the past, Delta flies the most non stops of the major carriers.
I like flying Southwest but they serve fewer SEC destinations and Delta is the better overall choice.
Look I get folks in STL don't want to travel but they are an outlier school not a core one. SEC is not going to risk losing ATL just to make 1 school happy, that sounds like something Austin would demand and look how that turned out. Big 8 never should have moved out of KC just to make 1 school happy.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:03 pm to 5thTiger
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Logistics are important
Okay, lets look at the root here?
A) How many games did YOU specifically travel to during the regular football season in a given year when Mizzou was in the Big 8?
B) How many games did YOU specifically travel to during the regular football season in a given year when Mizzou was in the Big 12?
A) How many games did YOU specifically travel to during the regular football season in a given year when Mizzou was in the SEC?
What schools did you drive to see and what schools did you fly to see - regular season football ages only.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:15 pm to 5thTiger
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Atlanta is no longer the center of the conference anymore.
Depends on who you are comparing it to:
UGA, Bama, UF, AU, UT, Vandy, SC, MSU, and Ole Miss are all less than 5 hours away from Atlanta. Thats 9 of 14 members.
What other city can compare to that?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:49 pm to 5thTiger
Of course UGA fans love the game in Atlanta, but they sure weren't happy when it was in Birmingham and Alabama was getting in it every year.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:54 pm to Othello
ESPN's take: it was a "no-brainer" for the championship game to stay in Atlanta.
LINK
"Atlanta is just too good of a destination for the the SEC championship. You can drive to Atlanta in under six hours from 10 SEC campuses, and if you must travel by air, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport specializes in direct flights.
The New York of the South has great city attractions for visiting fans, and is already host to a large contingent of SEC fans from all over. It truly is the core of SEC fandom."
LINK
"Atlanta is just too good of a destination for the the SEC championship. You can drive to Atlanta in under six hours from 10 SEC campuses, and if you must travel by air, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport specializes in direct flights.
The New York of the South has great city attractions for visiting fans, and is already host to a large contingent of SEC fans from all over. It truly is the core of SEC fandom."
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