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re: SEC basketball programs ranked by all time AP poll rankings
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:12 am to MetryTyger
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:12 am to MetryTyger
LSU is modestly ahead of Alabama historically when it comes to SEC and regular season success but y'all definitely pull way ahead when it comes to NCAA tournament success. There's no question LSU has had WAY WAY more success once in the NCAA tournament than Alabama (or Tennessee and Missouri for that matter). That's why I have LSU as the #4 all time SEC program slightly behind Florida which would be a good bit behind LSU if not for their amazing run of national championships and Final 4s in the mid 2000s.
As for Tennessee and Missouri, yes they've been significantly better than Alabama since 2000 but this is a discussion of programs all time. Alabama has more all time wins and a higher all time winning % than both Tennessee and Missouri.
Alabama and Tennessee have almost identical SEC regular season championship and NCAA tournament numbers with Tennessee having 1 more regular season title and 1 more NCAA tournament appearance. Both schools have been to the same number of Sweet 16s and Elite 8s. Alabama has 2 more SEC tournament championships than Tennessee. Alabama leads the head to head series 60-47. In fact, Kentucky and Alabama are the only two current or former SEC members that Tennessee doesn't lead the all time series against. Alabama and Tennessee are practically dead even as programs all time.
The difference however between the 3 programs comes with Missouri who has a significant lead over both Alabama and Tennessee in conference championships, NCAA appearances, Sweet 16s, and Elite 8s. In fact, Missouri has been to more Elite 8s without a Final 4 appearance than any program in the country.
In retrospect, I'd rank these programs this way among SEC programs:
5) Missouri (just slightly behind LSU)
6a) Alabama
6b) Tennessee
As for Tennessee and Missouri, yes they've been significantly better than Alabama since 2000 but this is a discussion of programs all time. Alabama has more all time wins and a higher all time winning % than both Tennessee and Missouri.
Alabama and Tennessee have almost identical SEC regular season championship and NCAA tournament numbers with Tennessee having 1 more regular season title and 1 more NCAA tournament appearance. Both schools have been to the same number of Sweet 16s and Elite 8s. Alabama has 2 more SEC tournament championships than Tennessee. Alabama leads the head to head series 60-47. In fact, Kentucky and Alabama are the only two current or former SEC members that Tennessee doesn't lead the all time series against. Alabama and Tennessee are practically dead even as programs all time.
The difference however between the 3 programs comes with Missouri who has a significant lead over both Alabama and Tennessee in conference championships, NCAA appearances, Sweet 16s, and Elite 8s. In fact, Missouri has been to more Elite 8s without a Final 4 appearance than any program in the country.
In retrospect, I'd rank these programs this way among SEC programs:
5) Missouri (just slightly behind LSU)
6a) Alabama
6b) Tennessee
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:51 am to Govt Tide
Nobody thinks Alabama has a better program than Tennessee in Men's basketball. Certainly not people + or - 3 years of being college aged.
You sound like a Tennessee football fan having to go back decades to prove your relevance.
You sound like a Tennessee football fan having to go back decades to prove your relevance.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:55 am to Thumpa15
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Nobody thinks Alabama has a better program than Tennessee in Men's basketball. Certainly not people + or - 3 years of being college aged.
You sound like a Tennessee football fan having to go back decades to prove your relevance.
I don't disagree with the first part, but as for the 2nd part....we're ranked in the Top 5 and just won the SEC Title. We're doing ok current relevancy wise, and do not at all compare to Tennessee football. In any way.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 11:58 am
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:03 pm to Thumpa15
Nobody probably believes Alabama CURRENTLY has a better basketball program than Tennessee and they'd be correct but for the 100th time I simply linked the most recent article I could find (which happened to be from March 2017) showing all time AP regular season poll history. It's simply ONE measure of all time program consistency. I never claimed it was the only measure and have already readily acknowledged in this thread that Tennessee's numbers and ranking in this poll have gone up tremendously in the 4 years since it was written. Same for Auburn btw.
There's absolutely no question at all that Tennessee has been a much better program than Alabama the last 15 years but that's not the time frame being discussed. I'm making the case that Alabama and Tennessee are basically dead even ALL TIME. Not sure why that distinction is so difficult for some to understand.
There's absolutely no question at all that Tennessee has been a much better program than Alabama the last 15 years but that's not the time frame being discussed. I'm making the case that Alabama and Tennessee are basically dead even ALL TIME. Not sure why that distinction is so difficult for some to understand.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:21 pm to Teague
In basketball the tourney is everything. Nothing else matters. And you guys act like the opposite is true 
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Alabama has had 1 good season in 15 years. Thats exactly what Tennessee football has been. The only difference being that you won a regular season championship and they lost in their conference championship appearance in 2007.
Alabama basketball has been irrelevant for a long time prior to this season. There's a good chance that you guys build on your momentum going forward unlike they were able to do, but there are more similarities than you care to admit.
Alabama basketball has been irrelevant for a long time prior to this season. There's a good chance that you guys build on your momentum going forward unlike they were able to do, but there are more similarities than you care to admit.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:42 pm to Thumpa15
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Alabama has had 1 good season in 15 years. Thats exactly what Tennessee football has been. The only difference being that you won a regular season championship and they lost in their conference championship appearance in 2007.
(A) There is also the whole 2007 was Year 1 of the last 15 and Alabama basketball's was year 15 of 15. Plus Alabama Basketball 2020 > Tennessee 2007 in basically all areas (SEC Champs, ranked higher, etc), though not that it really matters.
(B) Since 2007 Tennessee has had 8 losing seasons. They've been a bottom 4 team in the SEC. They aren't just bad for Tennessee historically, they've just been flat out bad.
Alabama basketball has been painstakingly average since 2007. 1 losing season, a roughly .500 record in the SEC, on the bubble 90% of seasons, but they have not been terrible. Quite frankly, it would have been a lot easier if they'd just been terrible.
Either way - we were wandering in a 19-15 (8-10) Groundhog Day wilderness for a solid 15ish years between 2005-2021.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I can tip my hat to that. They've had much lower lows. That being said you've both been irrelevant outside of 1 good season during that time period.
Your irrelevancy has been less irrelevant I guess, but you've been irrelevant none the less.
Dr. Seuss out!
Your irrelevancy has been less irrelevant I guess, but you've been irrelevant none the less.
Dr. Seuss out!
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:50 pm to Thumpa15
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Your irrelevancy has been less irrelevant I guess, but you've been irrelevant none the less.
Alabama basketball is/was the 7-6/8-5 team that went to the Independence and Music City Bowl every year
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Dr. Seuss out!
FIRED
Posted on 3/4/21 at 1:34 pm to Hawgeye
I never would have guessed Auburn has the same number of NCAA tournament wins (21) as Alabama. And we would have passed them if last year's tourny wasn't cancelled.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:27 pm to AUFANATL
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I never would have guessed Auburn has the same number of NCAA tournament wins (21) as Alabama. And we would have passed them if last year's tourny wasn't cancelled.
I wouldn't have either because it's not true.
NCAA tournament wins:
Alabama 21
Auburn 17
The most impressive thing about Auburn's NCAA tournament history is that y'all have advanced to at least the round of 32 in 9 of your 10 NCAA tournament appearances and have 5 Sweet 16s, 2 Elite 8s, and a Final 4 in only 10 appearances.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:27 pm to Govt Tide
quote:Really? So head-to-head all time record doesn't factor in?...how's that possible?
LSU is modestly ahead of Alabama historically when it comes to SEC and regular season success
Fyi: Since 1950, Alabama leads the series 82-52!...that's a .612 winning % for Alabama. The only SEC team that kicks LSU's arse more often is Kentucky (surprise!surprise!).
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:36 pm to coachcrisp
I took head to head into account but said modestly ahead because although Alabama has significantly more all time wins, a higher all time winning %, and more SEC tournament titles, LSU does have 2 more regular season conference championships than Alabama which evens things out a bit.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:42 pm to Govt Tide
I know it's all actually opinion, but for the life of me, I don't see how a team who has won three out of every five games from another team for over SEVENTY years can be ranked lower than the team they've historically dominated...but that's me. 
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:47 pm to swinetime
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That would be a good one too. I cant find a site that shows that. If you can let's see it
UK 131
UF 50
Arky 42
LSU 26
Mizzou, Vols 22
Bama, Auburn 21
A&M 13
Miss St 11
Vandy 10
USCe 8
UGA 7
Ole Miss 5
Posted on 3/4/21 at 5:53 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Where are you seeing that Auburn has 21 NCAA tournament wins? Their own page states they have a 17-10 record in the NCAA tournament
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