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re: SEC 9 Game Schedule Format - Perms
Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:38 pm to molsusports
Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:38 pm to molsusports
SC / Clemson
Alabama/ Tennessee
Auburn/ Georgia
Florida / FSU
LSU / A&M
OM / Arkansas
Oklahoma / Miami
UNC / Kentucky
Good inventory of games.
Alabama/ Tennessee
Auburn/ Georgia
Florida / FSU
LSU / A&M
OM / Arkansas
Oklahoma / Miami
UNC / Kentucky
Good inventory of games.
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 10:21 pm to southernboisb
I’m surprised to admit that your proposal is actually a pretty sound one if we go to 9 games.
It may looks like a troll job (and may be…lol), but, at quick glance, it seems to preserve all of the current rivalries while also allowing for upcoming added rivalries. They really aren’t divisions (that’s where the troll part comes in), but a way to show/coordinate all of the rivalries people want to keep with the rest of the schedule.
It may looks like a troll job (and may be…lol), but, at quick glance, it seems to preserve all of the current rivalries while also allowing for upcoming added rivalries. They really aren’t divisions (that’s where the troll part comes in), but a way to show/coordinate all of the rivalries people want to keep with the rest of the schedule.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 11:19 pm to GusAU
Devil is in the details
He just has an idea with no specifics. An actionable plan that preserves most rivalries is a bigger challenge.
He just has an idea with no specifics. An actionable plan that preserves most rivalries is a bigger challenge.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 12:24 am to molsusports
No perms have been decided except for that one we all have in an 8-game schedule. That 9-game list of three perms per school was a proposal that was NOT adopted. Repeat NOT ADOPTED just like the 9-game schedule was voted on formally and NOT adopted.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:29 am to southernboisb
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Good luck getting UGA, Florida, SC, & Ky. being okay with only 1 free slot on the schedule.
Add FSU and Clemson. GT has sucked for over 30 years, and UK barely cares about football.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:36 am to Tiger Live2
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Add FSU and Clemson. GT has sucked for over 30 years, and UK barely cares about football.
THis is a somewhat funny take.
GT lies and cheats. But GT also won an Orange Bowl and finished in the top 10 in 2014.
They are an 8-4 type team, with occasional 10-11 win highs and occasional 3-4 win lows. They're essentially Texas A&M in terms of amount of success without the same amount of money.
Or basically the same as what Clemson was before Dabo.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:50 am to southernboisb
The whole upper half/lower half idea needs to be junked. What are we going to do, change up the "permanent" matchups every four years based on changes at the margins? It's stupid to lock yourself in to such a scheme.
What we should do is just pick the 3 based on history and geography with the intention that they be truly permanent. Trying to achieve competitive balance is a waste of time. If you end up with three relatively strong permanent opponents, that means that your rotating opponents, as a group, will be weaker. If we play the entire league home and away over a four year period, the disadvantage (if it exists at all) of having a tougher than average set of permanent opponents will be a washout.
For example, Bama's 3 should be Auburn, UT, and State; 2 huge rivalries and the closest schools in proximity in the league. Auburn's 3 should be Bama, UGA, and Florida. I know, that's 3 tough opponents for Auburn, but their rotating pool would be weaker as a result. Don't worry about Bama getting State for their 3; they will have Florida and UGA on their rotation and you will have State. It will even out.
What we should do is just pick the 3 based on history and geography with the intention that they be truly permanent. Trying to achieve competitive balance is a waste of time. If you end up with three relatively strong permanent opponents, that means that your rotating opponents, as a group, will be weaker. If we play the entire league home and away over a four year period, the disadvantage (if it exists at all) of having a tougher than average set of permanent opponents will be a washout.
For example, Bama's 3 should be Auburn, UT, and State; 2 huge rivalries and the closest schools in proximity in the league. Auburn's 3 should be Bama, UGA, and Florida. I know, that's 3 tough opponents for Auburn, but their rotating pool would be weaker as a result. Don't worry about Bama getting State for their 3; they will have Florida and UGA on their rotation and you will have State. It will even out.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 1:12 pm to Tiger Live2
So now 2 teams with only 1 slot free?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 1:20 pm to twk
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What we should do is just pick the 3 based on history and geography with the intention that they be truly permanent.
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For example, Bama's 3 should be Auburn, UT, and State;
& how long before the complaints about Auburn being the toughest of the 3 for Alabama?
Don't think the "balance in strength" factor would last but a few hours.
For ex.: Say Aub. has Ala., UGA, & LSU. Is it still the best decision to give Ala. the 3 you listed?
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:26 pm to southernboisb
quote:Maybe I'm misreading you, but I think you missed the point. Don't worry about balancing the permanent opponents. Let history and geography dictate that. The balance will take care of itself when you consider that having 3 strong opponents means that your slate of 12 rotating opponents will be relatively weak.
& how long before the complaints about Auburn being the toughest of the 3 for Alabama?
Don't think the "balance in strength" factor would last but a few hours.
For ex.: Say Aub. has Ala., UGA, & LSU. Is it still the best decision to give Ala. the 3 you listed?
Auburn's three should be Bama, UGA, and Florida because of history. Back when teams made their own schedules, that's who they played. Florida was one of the few schools that would go to Auburn for games, since they were in a similar situation themselves, being considered rather remote and not a big money draw (which motivated a lot of matchups).
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:37 pm to twk
Still seeing the most reasonable solution as something like:
G1: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
G2: LSU, A&M, OM, MSU
G3: Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
G4: Georgia, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Rotating (played extra times as eighth conference game some years)
Texas: A&M, Florida, Tennessee
Oklahoma: LSU, Georgia, Alabama
Arkansas: OM, Auburn, Kentucky
Missouri: MSU, USC, Vanderbilt
LSU: Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama
A&M, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee
OM: Arkansas, Auburn, Vanderbilt
MSU: Missouri, USC, Kentucky
Georgia: Oklahoma, A&M, Kentucky
Florida: Texas, LSU, Tennessee
Auburn: Arkansas, OM, Alabama
USC: Missouri, MSU, Vanderbilt
Alabama: Oklahoma, LSU, Auburn
Tennessee: Texas, A&M, Florida
Kentucky: Arkansas, MSU, Georgia
Vanderbilt: Missouri, OM, USC
G1: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
G2: LSU, A&M, OM, MSU
G3: Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
G4: Georgia, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Rotating (played extra times as eighth conference game some years)
Texas: A&M, Florida, Tennessee
Oklahoma: LSU, Georgia, Alabama
Arkansas: OM, Auburn, Kentucky
Missouri: MSU, USC, Vanderbilt
LSU: Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama
A&M, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee
OM: Arkansas, Auburn, Vanderbilt
MSU: Missouri, USC, Kentucky
Georgia: Oklahoma, A&M, Kentucky
Florida: Texas, LSU, Tennessee
Auburn: Arkansas, OM, Alabama
USC: Missouri, MSU, Vanderbilt
Alabama: Oklahoma, LSU, Auburn
Tennessee: Texas, A&M, Florida
Kentucky: Arkansas, MSU, Georgia
Vanderbilt: Missouri, OM, USC
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:46 pm to southernboisb
I live here in Georgia. Now you see the stupid I have to deal with.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:08 am to twk
My example gave Aub. 3 "tough" opponents whie yours gave Ala. Aub. as their "tough" team.
Resulting in at least 2 W's for the Tide with, hopefully, 1 for the Tigers.
This is based on:
Ala. - Aub., MSU, Tenn.
Aub.- Ala., UGA, LSU
Resulting in at least 2 W's for the Tide with, hopefully, 1 for the Tigers.
This is based on:
Ala. - Aub., MSU, Tenn.
Aub.- Ala., UGA, LSU
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:12 am to molsusports
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G1: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
G2: LSU, A&M, OM, MSU
G3: Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
G4: Georgia, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
SEC's not splitting teams from the same state.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:19 am to molsusports
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Texas: A&M, Florida, Tennessee
Oklahoma: LSU, Georgia, Alabama
Arkansas: OM, Auburn, Kentucky
Missouri: MSU, USC, Vanderbilt
LSU: Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama
A&M, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee
OM: Arkansas, Auburn, Vanderbilt
MSU: Missouri, USC, Kentucky
Georgia: Oklahoma, A&M, Kentucky
Florida: Texas, LSU, Tennessee
Auburn: Arkansas, OM, Alabama
USC: Missouri, MSU, Vanderbilt
Alabama: Oklahoma, LSU, Auburn
Tennessee: Texas, A&M, Florida
Kentucky: Arkansas, MSU, Georgia
Vanderbilt: Missouri, OM, USC
So, NO rivalry is kept but the Iron Bowl???
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:25 am to southernboisb
This. Just swap A&M and Arkansas.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:26 am to PorkBelly
Still have to adjust for Ala./Aub..
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:27 am to PorkBelly
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This. Just swap A&M and Arkansas.
That would be some southern hospitality.
Welcome to our conference, now go over there with your other B12 peers.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:29 am to Dallaswho
Perfect
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:46 am to southernboisb
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SEC's not splitting teams from the same state.
You can't make a statement like that anymore. A&M hasn't even been in the same conference. Alabama and Auburn both have longer rivalries with Tennessee and Georgia.
I don't like it. The 12 team SEC was far better. But your alternatives with one permanent or three permanents are obviously worse.
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