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re: SEC 7-1 Conference Schedule Model - One permanent opponent

Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:15 am to
Posted by southernboisb
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:15 am to
I was surprised we even had a p/o (much less season) that year.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:18 am to
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Hell, I’d be all for a 10 game SEC schedule. How amazing would that be. 2 non conference games. 1 P4 1 non


Not too amazing with 4 teams having in-state rivals leaving only 1 open slot for anybody.
Posted by gamecockman12
Columbia, SC
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:22 am to
The 7-1 model is fine and would look like the following:

Alabama-Auburn
Florida-Georgia
Tennessee-Vanderbilt
Arkansas-Missouri
Texas-Oklahoma
South Carolina-Kentucky
LSU-Texas A&M
Ole Miss-Miss State
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:24 am to
quote:

We either need to count out-of-conference games in SEC standings

Then EVERY game would count for ALL conferences.

With that logic, play all non - conference against “rent a wins” & go undefeated.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:28 am to
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Why do we have to be so lazy about this when we can get what we all want.


What format are you suggesting?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:30 am to
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I'd be okay with it limited to P4 OOC games, and an immediate DQ from participating in the SECCG if you lose to a G5 or FCS team.


So, this logic means NEVER schedule G5 nor FCS teams for the possibility of a loss.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:31 am to
quote:

or put Uga on a quicker rotation.


& that would mean doing _____?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:38 am to
So 1 perm in each of the other pods?

Therefore A1 plays these teams EACH year?
A2
A3
A4
B1 (perm)
C1 (perm)
D1 (perm)

So how do they break up the other 9 teams into 2 teams to cycle through in 8 games?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:45 am to
quote:

Southwest Arky Baylor Houston Mizzou Oklahoma SCarolina Texas TAMU TCU Texas Tech SouthEast Bama AU Florida UGa Kentucky LSU Ole Kiff MSU Tennessee Vandy


So LSU & SC are paired up with teams from the OPPOSITE side of the conference (like Mizz. has been doing).
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:48 am to
Long thread summarized:

There is NO WAY that makes sense for the SEC to do a full rotation in 4 years.

Either important games or the time limit given will have to change.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:49 am to
We have to go back to divisions with everyone playing everyone else in the division. The clusterfrick of 9-3 teams and imbalanced schedules this season was shite.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
16461 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:53 am to
Pages of this nonsense and nothing about the fact that the playoff committee is not allowed to take the top 12 teams.

The new format makes it impossible to keep teams outside the top 12 from crashing the party after the regular season has been played.

There's your problem people.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39565 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 10:15 am to
quote:

So 1 perm in each of the other pods?


No, just the corresponding one.
The permanent rival is listed in parentheses:

I would divide the pods like this:
(Permanent rival)


Pod A

Texas (Aggie)
Oklahoma (Ole Miss)
Mizzou (MSU)
Arkansas (LSU)


Pod B

LSU (Arkansas)
Aggie (Texas)
Ole Miss (Oklahoma)
Moo State (Mizzou)


Pod C

Alabama (Tennessee)
Auburn (Georgia)
Vandy (Kentucky)
South Carolina (Florida)


Pod D

Georgia (Auburn)
Florida (USCe)
Tennessee (Alabama)
Kentucky (Vandy)
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 10:18 am
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39565 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 10:19 am to
quote:

So how do they break up the other 9 teams into 2 teams to cycle through in 8 games?


I gave this example illustrating LSU’ schedule going forward:

An example for LSU year 1 and 2

Pod A
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)

Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State

Pod C
Alabama
USCe



An example for LSU year 3 and 4

Pod A
Texas
Mizzou
Arkansas (permanent)

Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State

Pod C
Auburn
Vandy



An example for LSU year 5 and 6

Pod A
Mizzou
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)

Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State

Pod D
Georgia
Kentucky



An example for LSU year 7 and 8

Pod A
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)

Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State

Pod D
Florida
Tennessee



You see every team at least twice in an 8 year span.


This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 10:20 am
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
59924 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 10:23 am to
No, it would not be fine. It would be flat out ridiculous for A&M and Texas to finally be back in the same conference and still not be a yearly game.
Posted by rolltideroyalty
Member since Dec 2024
81 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 10:59 am to
This you??



quote:

Of course it's a Bammer whining about "muh schedule needs to be completely fair at all times" as if every single rival you have is always going to be good.


You're such a clown... only person talking like that is you.

Similarly, The only person advocating for a system WITHOUT fair scheduling is you.

I mean seriously that's the whole point of this thread. How outlandish of me to advocate for a system of fair scheduling.. Such a hot take....

Y'all get Arkansas every year in Jerry world. Stop acting like we are the ones trying to get the easy draw.

This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 11:36 am
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:05 am to
So, if the perm for A1 is in B, what happens when they play C & D?
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 11:06 am
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:10 am to
WHY wouldn’t they play ALL their podmates each year?
Posted by rolltideroyalty
Member since Dec 2024
81 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:12 am to
quote:

What format are you suggesting?



quote:

If we stay in a format with at large bids...We keep 8 Games.. 2 Perm rivalries and remaining 6 are computer generated. With each team being graded by winning % over last 3 years... So every team gets a relatively even random draw.

If they're going to guarantee all the bids we should move to 11 games make 1 out of conference power 4 game mandatory and include it into SEC rankings( so out of conference rivalries still exist).

With 11 games we can do Tri states pods
quote:
ALA - AUB, MSU, UTK
ARK - LSU, OM, UTA
AUB - ALA, UGA, UV
UGA - USC, AUB, UF
UF - UGA, UK, UTK
UK - UF, MIZ, MSU
LSU - ARK, TAMU, OM
MSU - OM, UK, ALA
MIZ - OU, UK, USC
OM - MSU, LSU, ARK
OU - UTA, MIZ, TAMU
USC - UGA, UV, MIZ
UTA - OU, TAMU, ARK
UTK - ALA, UV, UF
TAMU - UTA, LSU, OU
UV - AUB, UTK, USC


and then use the winning % based random draw for the remaining 8 games

Problem solved



I posted ^ on this thread already
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 11:13 am
Posted by rolltideroyalty
Member since Dec 2024
81 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:34 am to
quote:

quote:
We either need to count out-of-conference games in SEC standings

Then EVERY game would count for ALL conferences.

With that logic, play all non - conference against “rent a wins” & go undefeated.


I welcome disagreement, but you have to understand what I'm saying first.
Go back and read that post I made.

To clear it up.. I said If and only if The CFP bids are guaranteed by conference standings, which is what we are moving towards (AKA 5 b10 , 5 SEC, 2 Other conference winners....So No at large bids), and yes this would force ND to officially join the ACC...

So, if they are fully guaranteed. It won't matter what if the SEC beats itself up, because you're getting the same number in from your conference regardless. AND in that world, they would pick the highest 5 highest teams from SEC standings..... so you very well could have a team thats undefeated in conference play, but has lost 2 out of conference games.. make the playoff over a team that has only lost one game, but it was a conference game... SO to prevent that you would HAVE TO go to an ALL CONFERENCE-schedule, but out of conference rivalries, exist.. so to preserve these non-con rivalries... you mandate that every team must schedule 1 out of conference game and you mandate that, it is a power 4 game. AND you add it to the Winn loss record for conference standings.

B/C if you don't than we'll see teams getting in over other teams that have a worse W/L record. and even more often we'll see teams get favorable seeding over teams just because that teams loss came out of the conference... THINK 2022 LSU... many other examples, but thats the most recent.



AGAIN, I am not in favor of this. I think all CFP bids should be at large and if thats the case look at what I said for the at large model.

But a fully guaranteed playoff is coming and when it does, out of conference games will become meaningless... So we get rid of all but 1.. Keep non-con rivalries with that 1 game and COUNT IT.
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