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re: Saban tried to leave for Texas, but Texas said, "no"
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:42 pm to Landmass
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:42 pm to Landmass
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Wow. This thread is still going. I posted this as SIAP and people cannot let it go.
I can't wait to see what is claimed next year.
I think by 2025 Nick Saban ends up punching Mack Brown in the nose for the tantrum and fly's back to Tuscaloosa.
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 12:43 pm
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:42 pm to 3down10
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Longhorn fans should be furious at Mack Brown for putting his ego over the interests of their football program.
It's not true.
Very true, Mack destroyed his legacy at Texas. He's a ghost in Austin.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:43 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Very true, Mack destroyed his legacy at Texas. He's a ghost in Austin.
If so it ain't because of this story - which is mostly false.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:58 pm to Landmass
If this entire convoluted story is true, it
reads more like Jimmy Sexton just pulling a
Sexton and using pathetic Texas and its fishbowl
of clowns as insurance icing for Nick's juicy new contract
at Alabama.
reads more like Jimmy Sexton just pulling a
Sexton and using pathetic Texas and its fishbowl
of clowns as insurance icing for Nick's juicy new contract
at Alabama.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:22 pm to 3down10
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If so it ain't because of this story - which is mostly false.
Which parts do you feel are false?
Posted on 7/12/19 at 1:49 pm to BamaRoo
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If this entire convoluted story is true, it
reads more like Jimmy Sexton just pulling a
Sexton and using pathetic Texas and its fishbowl
of clowns as insurance icing for Nick's juicy new contract
at Alabama.
That was a concern of Texas'.. "Jimmy Sexton just pulling a Sexton".
We'll never know what was sincere vs leverage games, but the story being reported isn't a stretch regardless of what you believe the real intent was.
Bama kept their guy/hardware that followed and the events expedited and sealed Mack's fate at Texas. All be happy and move on.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 2:03 pm to Landmass
Our roster was depleted on Mack’s way out. Saban would have had a heart attack trying to adjust to the Big12 style of play in the early 2010’s with those Texas teams.
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 7/12/19 at 3:28 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Which parts do you feel are false?
Everything past a booster had dinner with Nick Saban's agent and that the agent told a Texas booster that Texas would be the only place Saban would leave Alabama for.
It's fake news and like all fake news, the majority of people never get the correction or even question it. But even a small dose of common sense and logic shows it's not true.
It's just not how this stuff actually works or even remotely close. Look at how Alabama managed to hire Saban to begin with for example. You don't hire Nick Saban with backroom talks with his agent. His agent will however listen to you.
And then it's the dates that are a problem. Something happened in early 2012 in Tuscaloosa that Saban himself has said changed things for him. Look it up.
Also the focus is always on Mack Brown supposedly getting upset, but there is no way in hell Nick Saban would even dream of agreeing to that. Saban is a PR master and you think he's going to go with this? Nope, it's just some of that Texas ego massaging they are known for.
You ever IRL meet up with fans of other teams that you are friends with? Outside of maybe some friendly tongue in cheek remarks, do you focus on the positive or negative side of that program? You'll generally say nice things, and that's when you get a complementary remark such as "Texas is the only place Nick Saban would leave Alabama for".
I mean I'm not all that fond of Michigan for example, but my CFO is a cool guy and when we talk about college football I talk about the upsides of Michigan.
It's dinner fluff and a booster ran with it straight into a wall more worried about social status. What he instead likely hears is YOU'RE TELLING ME THERE IS A CHANCE? And then he goes off to try and make it happen. Only again, he runs into a wall and finds out there really isn't much interest outside an agent doing his job and keeping offers open.
And basically everything beyond that has been completely fabricated by people saying things they think is plausible based loosely on reading into out of context comments and so on.
Texas fans just want to rehash it every year for the ego rub. "Saban wanted us". And every year it gets more and more far fetched and more Texas ego based.
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/12/19 at 3:33 pm to 3down10
your reading comprehension, general awareness and understanding of agent relations and negotiations are low level projections.
None of this makes Bama look bad and none of it makes Texas look good.
None of this makes Bama look bad and none of it makes Texas look good.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 3:43 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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your reading comprehension, general awareness and understanding of agent relations and negotiations are low level projections.
None of this makes Bama look bad and none of it makes Texas look good.
If you think you hire Nick Saban with boosters talking to his agent, then you just don't know much about the man.
I never said it made Bama look bad. Alabama actually does what Texas loudmouths claim they will do.
And it makes Texas look like Texas - delusional and too wrapped up in their own self importance to see the reality.
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 7/12/19 at 5:07 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Texas never said no to Saban, the talks never developed far enough for that to take place. Saban backed off via his agent when Mack went full on petulant child. Mack's temper tantrum had some backing in the form of his attorney and mega booster Joe Jamail. Mack is easy to roll into the Gulf, no one is crossing Jamail... especially those employed with Texas. Factor in leadership transitions at UT and it was a cluster large enough to wash out any talks with Saban regardless of its real interest.
This is probably the most reasonable explanation.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 5:34 pm to BamaRoo
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If this entire convoluted story is true, it reads more like Jimmy Sexton just pulling a Sexton and using pathetic Texas and its fishbowl of clowns as insurance icing for Nick's juicy new contract at Alabama.
Then why didn't Alabama ignore it and hold Saban to his original contract?
You got played.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 5:41 pm to EastTXHorn
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Our roster was depleted on Mack’s way out.
You had the following 5-star players on your roster in 2014 (Strong's first season) from the 2011, 2012 and 2013 classes (Mack's recruits)
RB - Malcolm Brown
RB - Johnathan Gray
OL - Darius James
DL - Malcom Brown
LB - Steve Edmond
You had the following 4-star players on your roster in 2014 from Mack's classes:
QB - Tyrone Swoopes
WR - Daje Johnson
WR - Marcus Johnson
WR - Jake Oliver
WR - Jaxson Shipley
WR - Jacorey Warrick
OL - Kennedy Estelle
OL - Sedrick Flowers
OL - Camrhon Hughes
OL - Kent Perkins
OL - Jake Raulerson
OL - Curtis Riser
DL - Paul Boyette
DL - Shiro Davis
DL - Desmond Jackson
DL - Alex Norman
DL - Cedric Reed
DL - Hassan Ridgeway
LB - Timothy Cole
LB - Peter Jinkins
LB - Dalton Santos
DB - Adrian Colbert
DB - Antwuan Davis
DB - Quandre Diggs
DB - Bryson Echols
DB - Sheroid Evans
DB - Duke Thomas
DB - Mykkelle Thompson
DB - Josh Turner
Now if you want to say those players were horribly overrated, blame Geoff Ketchum and Bobby Burton for inflating their rankings to make your recruiting class ranking look good.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 6:26 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
yup, Saban had plenty of talent to build from. The culture was a free for all, players signing 3 others in on S&C with no staff supervising much less motivating/training. No accountability or leadership and Mack was so removed he had no idea his 20+ year crack staff had sold out/semi retired as well.
Muschamp and Applewhite kept the last few solid teams tgether along with great leaders, but it caught up on Butterteeth real hard at the end.
Saban would have salvaged enough FR/SO and recruited it back to a top 5-10 program pretty quick. Lord knows wtf UNC was thinking hiring Mack.. that fat frick politician hasnt seen his dick in 7 years much less a hard days work.
Muschamp and Applewhite kept the last few solid teams tgether along with great leaders, but it caught up on Butterteeth real hard at the end.
Saban would have salvaged enough FR/SO and recruited it back to a top 5-10 program pretty quick. Lord knows wtf UNC was thinking hiring Mack.. that fat frick politician hasnt seen his dick in 7 years much less a hard days work.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 6:26 pm to Smart Post
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Then why didn't Alabama ignore it and hold Saban to his original contract?
You got played.
Mostly because he is constantly getting new contracts anyway, the same as all coaches. You new to college football?
Because while Texas sits around making claims about how they can buy anything they want, Alabama actually spends the money.
As for getting played - how's Texas football doing this decade? You act like we are the ones that wasted money on Charlie Strong and limp wrist.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 6:28 pm to OldSchoolHorn
Your explanation makes sense. The whole "Mack left the cupboard bare" excuse is horribly dishonest. Your explanation paints a "talented but lazy" picture, which is likely the truth.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 6:41 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
It was bare "effectively", but only due to quality players in a poor work ethic/culture and 4-5 kids a class were lazy evals and just bad apples.
I was hearing it from one of Muschamps guys, originally thought it was crazy talk but as soon as the Colt crew left it was obvious the rumors about Mack and his cronies were true.
Second person who shared the info was a big Ag booster ironically, I just didnt want to hear it. Mack ran as clean a show as you'll ever see out of an elite team, but damned if he wasn't the most narcissistic & fragile ego ego behind the scenes. People say that Bama MNC game killed him, it hurt but he was already 4 years on cruise control at that point and his real goal was to break DKR's apparently.
Exact reason why I'm a Saban fan, the engine keeps running no matter what he accomplishes.
I was hearing it from one of Muschamps guys, originally thought it was crazy talk but as soon as the Colt crew left it was obvious the rumors about Mack and his cronies were true.
Second person who shared the info was a big Ag booster ironically, I just didnt want to hear it. Mack ran as clean a show as you'll ever see out of an elite team, but damned if he wasn't the most narcissistic & fragile ego ego behind the scenes. People say that Bama MNC game killed him, it hurt but he was already 4 years on cruise control at that point and his real goal was to break DKR's apparently.
Exact reason why I'm a Saban fan, the engine keeps running no matter what he accomplishes.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 7:07 pm to 3down10
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Something happened in early 2012 in Tuscaloosa that Saban himself has said changed things for him. Look it up.
If you're referring to the tornado, it was spring 2011.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 9:17 pm to Smart Post
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Uhh, Saban had just signed an extension in March of the year in question.
There was no formal offer of another extension until well into the "Saban to Texas to take over for Mack Brown" saga.
FACT
Maybe you should read your own articles.
However, another source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy that if Saban leaves Alabama, it "won't be because of money" and that the coach and the school are "always in discussions" about extending the deal each year.
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