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re: Saban-Jimbo could be best SEC coaching rivalry ever

Posted on 5/11/18 at 4:37 pm to
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 4:37 pm to
Calm down, A&M fans.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 4:53 pm to
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That's ~ 11 teams in ~ 75 years so a new team wins a championship every 7 years on average.


Sure, but those numbers are outdated. More recent data says that zero have done it in 22 years.

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It may have mainly happened in a smaller window of time, but that doesn't mean it can't happen for someone else.


Sure. It COULD happen, but it doesn't. In fact, it rarely even comes close.

Since the last time there was a new Post-WW2 Champion crowned in college football...

*Zero of the 23 teams to win a National Title are non-Post-WW2 Champs
*Only 6 of the 42 teams to finish in the Final AP Top 2 are non-Post-WW2 Champs (14.3%)
*Only 10 of the 63 teams to finish in the Final AP Top 3 are non-Post-WW2 Champs (15.9%)
*Only 19 of the 84 teams to finish in the Final AP Top 4 are non-Post-WW2 Champs (22.6%)
*Only 24 of the 106 teams to finish in the Final AP Top 5 are non-Post-WW2 Champs (22.6%)

That means 77.4% of all teams to finish in the AP Top 5 during the last 21 seasons have won a Championship since WW2.

An astounding 85.7% of all teams to finish in the AP Top 2 during the last 21 seasons have won a Championship since WW2.

*Only 4 programs who haven't won a Championship Post WW2 have finished in the Final Top 2 since 1997: Oregon (3x), TCU, Utah, and Virginia Tech

*Only 6 programs who haven't won a Championship Post WW2 have finished in the Final Top 3 since 1997: Oregon (4x), TCU (2x), Utah, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma St., and Stanford

Posted by OldSchoolHorn
Aspen CO
Member since Nov 2014
3999 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 5:29 pm to
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So what makes a good program? What specific factors, on top of coaching, does there need to be to succeed at the highest level?


The top one or two programs within your region is a non negotiable. Some years A&M hasn’t been a top 3 option.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51791 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 6:28 pm to
Your looking at data and saying this is what happened so this is what will always happen. You’re seeing correlation, but there is no causation.

You need to answer why teams win? Use 5 why if you really need to (doubt you need to go that deep). I have a feeling it’s recruiting plus coaching. Look at the last 10-15 champs. Where was their avg recruiting ranking the previous 4 years and where did they finish in O rating and D rating?
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 6:38 pm to
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You hired Les Miles.

Except Jimbo can actually develop QBs.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63040 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 7:04 pm to
Yup
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149505 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 7:15 pm to
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but I think SoG is worried
all the gumps are worried. It's bizarre
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 7:15 pm
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12691 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 11:22 am to
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o if a team hasn’t won in the past then they can’t be good now. How did Florida do it in the 90s-00s? Clemson the last decade? Why aren’t Harvard & Yale still in the mix?


Clemson was a top 10 program in the 80s.

Any program that consistently plays in bowl games has a shot at winning a title at some point.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 11:31 am
Posted by Ghost of Champions
Southeast
Member since Aug 2017
2 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 11:28 am to
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Saban will retire in 3 years and Jimbo will have moved on


You wish Saban will retire in 3, not going to happen.
Posted by MosesRAB93
Dallas area
Member since Apr 2014
369 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 5:58 pm to
You are confusing us with our longhorn fans
Posted by Capstone2017
I love lead paint- PokeyTiger
Member since Dec 2013
2235 posts
Posted on 5/13/18 at 6:52 am to
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This post was edited on 3/3/20 at 10:24 pm
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