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re: Saban is 100% right
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:04 pm to Dawgfanman
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:04 pm to Dawgfanman
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Is something preventing those writing NIL contracts from doing similar?
Yes. NIL is all about marketing; using a players name/image/likeness to sell a product.
It can not be in any way tied to playing for a particular team because that would be pay for play.
And pay for play is against the rules
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:07 pm to AlterEd
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I get what he's saying, but I would love to hear someone ask him about how he's been paying players for decades
One Billion Dollars.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:10 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Saban was paying players now he is mad because everyone does
Except for a few minor self - reported infractions , why
wasn't Saban ever caught greening up God's rich earth ,
while other schools just sat stewing ? (textbook scandal doesn't
count , occurred before Saban arrived)
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:11 pm to AlterEd
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I get what he's saying, but I would love to hear someone ask him about how he's been paying players for decades
You want to do Arkansas?
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:13 pm to DyeHardDylan
Where to start? I’m bored outta town traveling for work, so I guess I’ll bite.
That’s bullshite. MY family after Reconstruction had way more to worry about than football. Yours prolly did, too. Maybe since the 60’s.
Put down the pipe. These are SEC schools - not Princeton or Oxford. These are football players, not genteel Southern gentlemen. How much respect for others do you really think was instilled on SEC practice fields the last 50 years?
No. It’s not. Never was. It’s not a youth camp, church retreat, or ….. it’s COLLEGE man. These aren’t “young people”. They’re ADULTS. They can vote and fight wars. They live with the decisions they make for better or for worse.
I’m sorry “they” messed up your fantasy world with all this NIL and pay to play - I really am. But ….. how’d you think this would go?
Everybody was making millions off college football for decades. Now the athletes that actually PRODUCE the spectacle are getting paid, and everybody acts like it’s the “end of college football”?
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Since Reconstruction really, college football has been a part of our cultural zeitgeist.
That’s bullshite. MY family after Reconstruction had way more to worry about than football. Yours prolly did, too. Maybe since the 60’s.
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Lost in all of this is the sense of school culture, pride in an academic institution, and respect/trust in others that made college football so special.
Put down the pipe. These are SEC schools - not Princeton or Oxford. These are football players, not genteel Southern gentlemen. How much respect for others do you really think was instilled on SEC practice fields the last 50 years?
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This is not a system set up to help young, impressionable people succeed in life
No. It’s not. Never was. It’s not a youth camp, church retreat, or ….. it’s COLLEGE man. These aren’t “young people”. They’re ADULTS. They can vote and fight wars. They live with the decisions they make for better or for worse.
I’m sorry “they” messed up your fantasy world with all this NIL and pay to play - I really am. But ….. how’d you think this would go?
Everybody was making millions off college football for decades. Now the athletes that actually PRODUCE the spectacle are getting paid, and everybody acts like it’s the “end of college football”?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:15 pm to PrattvilleTiger
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So Saban can make millions and millions off the free-market system but young athletes can't? Got it.
If this was a true free-market system, these players were overpaid when they received a scholarship, room/board, free medical care and a stipend. Way overpaid. The harsh reality is - outside of the framework of the collegiate sports arena - there is no market for 18 to 21 yr old players. None. If there were, some rich entrepreneurs 75 yrs ago would have started up a league taking advantage of this untapped labor force and market. Why didn’t they? No one would watch. Every single eyeball on Saturday afternoon is tuned in to watch their Iowa State Cyclones take on the Iowa Hawkeyes or Baylor square off against SMU. They’re not watching to see the individual players. There is absolutely no market for the players’ services.
NIL is a false equivalence for all the Muh Capitalism! types. The NIL system is nothing more than vanity projects for America’s oligarchy.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:17 pm to p226
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Now the athletes that actually PRODUCE the spectacle are getting paid, and everybody acts like it’s the “end of college football”?
Yes, it is.
If we are going to pay players based solely on their return on investment, 90% will be receiving a bill at the end of the season.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:25 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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there is no market for 18 to 21 yr old players. None. If there were, some rich entrepreneurs 75 yrs ago would have started up a league taking advantage of this untapped labor force and market. Why didn’t they?
Uhh…. They did. And they got a monopoly, federal carve out that’s semi-legal and not exactly formal, but effective enough that the other monopoly (the NFL) in the sport can’t encroach on it.
THEN, they made up some bullshite “student-athlete” myth that allowed them to keep every dime made off the sport for at least 50 years.
That league is called “NCAA Football”. It’s been extremely profitable. Think how much money the “TV Contract” has made since ….. the 90’s?
Nobody was watching those games, paying for season tickets, all those years to watch fat redneck coaches yell on the sidelines.
This whole game is ENTIRELY built on tbe market for 18-21 year old athletes.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:26 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Saban was paying players
Yup. The current state of cfb is due in large part to Saban.
He was a master cheater and had a massive talent advantage.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:30 pm to PrattvilleTiger
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So Saban can make millions and millions off the free-market system but young athletes can't? Got it.
Pretty sure if you add up all the earnings of players that played for Saban itd be well into the hundreds of millions
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:31 pm to captdalton
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Yes, it is. If we are going to pay players based solely on their return on investment, 90% will be receiving a bill at the end of the season.
Each school gets $70 million a year from the TV contract alone. Not counting season ticket sales and merchandise.
You mean to tell me paying players will break the sport when every damn school in tbe conference gets $70 Mil a year?
You’re unhinged. Pay these damn kids - every one of them. They can’t work a job and go to school while playing football.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:32 pm to p226
Then why hasn't any rich entrepreneur come along and stolen away these poor exploited laborers and started a rival 18-21 yr old league? I mean, those players are just sitting there waiting to be paid for 100 yrs and you're telling me no group of American businessmen was going to take advantage of all those massive profits to be made? Care to explain that?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:34 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I DID explain it. Read what I said.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:34 pm to DyeHardDylan
He typically is about anything football related
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:34 pm to p226
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Uhh…. They did. And they got a monopoly, federal carve out that’s semi-legal and not exactly formal, but effective enough that the other monopoly (the NFL) in the sport can’t encroach on it. THEN, they made up some bullshite “student-athlete” myth that allowed them to keep every dime made off the sport for at least 50 years. That league is called “NCAA Football”. It’s been extremely profitable. Think how much money the “TV Contract” has made since ….. the 90’s? Nobody was watching those games, paying for season tickets, all those years to watch fat redneck coaches yell on the sidelines. This whole game is ENTIRELY built on tbe market for 18-21 year old athletes.
If it were still glorified frat boys playing the game, stadiums would still be packed, like they were in the early days of CFB...when it was glorified frat boys playing. The market was never the players, it was the teams. Otherwise ESPN would be showing track meets of athletes running fast and jumping high, not football.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:36 pm to p226
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They can’t work a job and go to school while playing football.
Then quit football and get a job. It's not that difficult a concept. They owe every single bit of acclaim they get to the fact they have "University of ____" on their jersey.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:36 pm to PorkSammich
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Yup. The current state of cfb is due in large part to Saban. He was a master cheater and had a massive talent advantage.
Remember when Arkansas hired Gus Malzahn to get Mitch Mustain?
Those were fun times.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:39 pm to p226
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You’re unhinged. Pay these damn kids - every one of them. They can’t work a job and go to school while playing football.
You want to pay every football player or every college athlete?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:39 pm to p226
No, you didn't. You completely avoided the issue.
Why hasn't a league ever developed taking advantage of this ready made 18-21 yr old talent pool? Obviously, if someone in, oh, 1953 had started offering these kids pay for their services, they were going to ditch Hometown U in a second. Right?
Why hasn't a league ever developed taking advantage of this ready made 18-21 yr old talent pool? Obviously, if someone in, oh, 1953 had started offering these kids pay for their services, they were going to ditch Hometown U in a second. Right?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:41 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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They owe every single bit of acclaim they get to the fact they have "University of ____" on their jersey.
bullshite. Transfer portal is proving that to be a complete fantasy every year now.
We’re watching athletes play a game - not wear a jersey that says “University of _____”.
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