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re: Saban blocking transfer of Smith. Mom not happy
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:27 am to 14&Counting
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:27 am to 14&Counting
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:27 am to CapstoneGrad06
quote:HE DID!..with the kid he wouldn't let transfer to Miami from Georgia.
Damn, you're mad over this. Funny thing is, Smart would do this exact same thing given a similar circumstance.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:28 am to Aman
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Yes there are different rules for coaches and players as there should be. Teachers can leave and go to another school anytime they please. My son in public school doesn't have that luxury unless I up and move my family.
This has nothing to do with college. And you don't have to move, actually. Private school is an option, plenty of places have charter or magnet schools. I know in GA if you live in a shite school district you can get permission for the child to attend a better school.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:29 am to coachcrisp
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HE DID!..with the kid he wouldn't let transfer to Miami from Georgia.
underclassmen so different
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:30 am to tigerskin
I get why he wants to play at Georgia. The thing people here are only talking about obliquely -- so it's hard to tell if they actually get the point -- is that Smith would have to learn a new system with new coaches if he transfers anywhere but UGA. Anyone who has played football knows it's not plug-n-play, and missing out on spring stuff just makes it harder. So Kirby offers him a chance to start immediately, not just because of his talent but because of his knowledge of Kirby's system. (Not sure why he wanted Baylor, even if he's a Texas native, though the phrase "laughable competition for playing time" springs to mind.) The issue isn't just knowing Smart's system -- it's being unfamiliar with other systems. He couldn't just show up at Chavis' doorstep, for instance, and know what to do with minimal guidance.
That, however, is exactly the reason Saban is making a good call not allowing the immediate start after transfer. He'd essentially be allowing Kirby to bring along company assets, to use the business metaphor of CFB.
(I wonder what "limited contact" with Kirby and Tucker means. I can't imagine either of them would be happy with the mother making a vague statement like that since it can invite NCAA scrutiny for rules violations.)
That, however, is exactly the reason Saban is making a good call not allowing the immediate start after transfer. He'd essentially be allowing Kirby to bring along company assets, to use the business metaphor of CFB.
(I wonder what "limited contact" with Kirby and Tucker means. I can't imagine either of them would be happy with the mother making a vague statement like that since it can invite NCAA scrutiny for rules violations.)
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:30 am to coachcrisp
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That's what I'm saying! Schools do have a way to keep their players from following coaches to other schools when the coach leaves.
I don't know, I thought players in the past have been exempt from sitting out if they transfer because the coach left or was fired.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, didn't players follow Franklin to Penn state?
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:34 am to dgnx6
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Also correct me if I'm wrong, didn't players follow Franklin to Penn state?
Recruits. Different, if still slimy, story. They're not committed on paper.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:35 am to Lonnie Utah
I thought a graduate transfer can go anywhere he wants with no restrictions and can play immediately. No?
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:35 am to coachcrisp
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This situation isn't about the player. IT'S ABOUT THE COACHES!!
If a coach leaves your staff or even if the HC changes schools, no current HC with a brain is going to give a player permission to transfer to the school where the past coach went. It's as close to a non-compete clause as you can get in college athletics...DAMN!!...it ain't rocket science!!
agreed.
I gave an example earlier, but have an even better one. If coach O leaves LSU, there is going to be DL talent that he personally recruited and developed that would undoubtedly want to follow him. Especially if he just moved to another SEC school a few hundred miles away or so. LSU would likely be depleted at DL.
Allowing this really does open up Pandora's box.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:35 am to 14&Counting
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Tough shite.....you want to send a player to UGA? Where its likely we could see them in the SECCG?
LOL at thUGA in SECCG
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:36 am to randomways
quote:Thank you! I hope your explanation got through better than mine.
That, however, is exactly the reason Saban is making a good call not allowing the immediate start after transfer. He'd essentially be allowing Kirby to bring along company assets, to use the business metaphor of CFB.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:37 am to mikeb0870
quote:Not in the SEC, unless the coach gives the grad transfer a waiver allowing him to play immediately at another conference program.
I thought a graduate transfer can go anywhere he wants with no restrictions and can play immediately. No?
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:37 am to CockCommander
Hasn't Chris Black graduated. I keep thinking you can't restrict a graduate transfer.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:37 am to cas4t
And then?
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:38 am to mikeb0870
Doesn't Maurice Smith graduate Saturday?
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:38 am to RT1941
Ok thanks.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:39 am to cas4t
quote:+1 Excellent example. And there's no way Les would sign a waiver allowing those DL studs to follow Ed to another SEC program.
I gave an example earlier, but have an even better one. If coach O leaves LSU, there is going to be DL talent that he personally recruited and developed that would undoubtedly want to follow him. Especially if he just moved to another SEC school a few hundred miles away or so. LSU would likely be depleted at DL.
Allowing this really does open up Pandora's box.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:39 am to KiffinsVisor
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There are rules. Have your starting 5th db come to alabama and see if les releases him...
Like Phelon Jones?
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:40 am to mikeb0870
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Hasn't Chris Black graduated. I keep thinking you can't restrict a graduate transfer.
A graduate transfer isn't inherently restricted, but restrictions can be placed on him. It differs from an undergraduate transfer in that, without a special waiver from the NCAA, no undergraduate transfer can play immediately for a D1 team. The original school can't give them permission to play immediately no matter what. All graduate transfers can unless the specific school they're transferring to has been restricted by their original school.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:40 am to cajunbama
and then he transferred to Alabama
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Coaches often block such moves for competitive reasons, but LSU head coach Les Miles said Jones had done everything requested of him and thus deserved the shot of his choice. Jones' release was therefore made unconditional, and a spokesman for LSU said the program wishes Jones, who must sit out this season and then have two years of eligibility remaining, the best.
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