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Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:38 am to AUCE05
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Bama is losing a big time coach that is a dawg at recruiting within the next few days.
Does recruiting matter anymore? What even makes one a great recruiter in this football landscape? Teams need more finance guys that understand ROI.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:06 am to BhamTigah
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Does recruiting matter anymore? What even makes one a great recruiter in this football landscape?
Yes it matters.
Talent acquisition always matters. It's what makes a coach a good recruiter... can he acquire talent. It doesn't really matter HOW the talent gets acquired, it's simply a question on if a coach can get the players to his team.
The only thing in coaching that might matter more is talent evaluation. It doesn't matter as much as it does in the NFL (where you have a salary cap), but knowing what players are worth throwing the bank at matters a lot more now. It used to be that you just wanted to acquire all the talent (even more so back before the 85 scholarship limit where acquiring talent meant other teams). Now prioritizing the targets matters a lot more, as well as figuring out what guys from your own team you want to "encourage to transfer".
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:16 am to DawginSC
The other major change in recruiting is you can't BS players the same way.
In the past it wasn't easy to leave a team so you could lie to a player to get them to sign and than be able to strong arm them into still playing for you even if you weren't completely honest to start.
Now it's easy for a player to leave. So part of successful recruiting requires you to convince them to come without lying to them so they want to leave after they arrive.
I tend to think Brian Kelly is much more easy going as a recruiter than he is as a coach where's he's more of a hard liner. I think guys like Nick Saban, Kirby Smart and Lane Kiffin recruit like the way they coach. Smart is intense and exciteable. Kiffin is a smart arse. Saban was curmudgeonly and serious.
Players still leave those kind of guys because of lack of playing time or lack of NIL dollars. But not because the coach was something different on the recruiting trail than they are at practice.
In the past it wasn't easy to leave a team so you could lie to a player to get them to sign and than be able to strong arm them into still playing for you even if you weren't completely honest to start.
Now it's easy for a player to leave. So part of successful recruiting requires you to convince them to come without lying to them so they want to leave after they arrive.
I tend to think Brian Kelly is much more easy going as a recruiter than he is as a coach where's he's more of a hard liner. I think guys like Nick Saban, Kirby Smart and Lane Kiffin recruit like the way they coach. Smart is intense and exciteable. Kiffin is a smart arse. Saban was curmudgeonly and serious.
Players still leave those kind of guys because of lack of playing time or lack of NIL dollars. But not because the coach was something different on the recruiting trail than they are at practice.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:20 am to DawginSC
are you saying kids sign with Kiffin because he's a smart arse to them?
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:37 am to pankReb
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are you saying kids sign with Kiffin because he's a smart arse to them?
I'm saying he's not pretending NOT to be a smart arse when he recruits them.
I had some smart arse teachers in school who's classes I loved. Some kids relate to a quick sarcastic wit and thrive with being needled by smart arse comments as a way to correct mistakes.
Others melt with that.
It's important to truthfully sell what you're shelling out. Otherwise you'll sign guys who then leave because they thought they were getting a caring, soft touch coach and instead get needled with sarcastic comments.
Kiffin doesn't lie to his recruits.
Kirby sells something completely different, but he doesn't lie either.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:10 am to No Colors
Are you referring to the proud alumni that served jail time? Classy brag
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:13 am to ManBearSharkReb
Multiple as in none. Such a delusional fan base
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:40 am to Scottfield
1 and 15 
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 12:41 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:11 am to jellyfish
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Tobacco Money
That is not a sustainable because there is no return on investment. The school will reap the benefits if there are any
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:43 am to swinetime
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That is not a sustainable
This is the new "Lane is gonna leave!"
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:10 am to DawginSC
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I'm saying he's not pretending NOT to be a smart arse when he recruits them.
I had some smart arse teachers in school who's classes I loved. Some kids relate to a quick sarcastic wit and thrive with being needled by smart arse comments as a way to correct mistakes.
Others melt with that.
It's important to truthfully sell what you're shelling out. Otherwise you'll sign guys who then leave because they thought they were getting a caring, soft touch coach and instead get needled with sarcastic comments.
Kiffin doesn't lie to his recruits.
Kirby sells something completely different, but he doesn't lie either.
What are you talking about?
Ole Miss has 32 incoming recruits this class and despite that they aren't even a top10 class. Still ranked #13.
Kiffin isn't recruiting at a high level. If that was Alabama's recruiting class the entire forum would be nothing but threads talking about how shitty Alabama's recruiting is now.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 6:11 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:37 am to 3down10
quote:He’s not recruiting HS at a top 5 level. In a way portal additions is recruiting too so what Dawg said does have some merit.
Kiffin isn't recruiting at a high level.
We’re spoiled, there’s really no other word to use. We’re got used to being the #1 class pretty much every year under Saban. Everyone else got used to that too and absolutely hated it.
quote:The jackals circle the Lion when they think he’s weak. Again best word I can think of to describe that pack of lesser programs.
If that was Alabama's recruiting class the entire forum would be nothing but threads talking about how shitty Alabama's recruiting is now.
Their jealousy just exposes how much they wish their program had our success. The only one remotely close is Oklahoma, and you don’t hear their fans whine like many of the others. I’ll give Georgia a lot of credit too, they have embraced the blueprint that yields superior results and we generally get a lot more intelligent comments from them these days.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:40 am to llfshoals
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He’s not recruiting HS at a top 5 level. In a way portal additions is recruiting too so what Dawg said does have some merit.
I am counting their portal transfers. They are still only #13 with 32 recruits and a shitty average.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:42 am to 3down10
quote:Without dredging back up Ole Miss’s history I do believe that’s significantly better than they used to is it not?
I am counting their portal transfers. They are still only #13 with 32 recruits and a shitty average.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:08 am to DAWG0829
Yes Alabama.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:42 am to 3down10
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I am counting their portal transfers.
“I’m not counting players who are coming in and making an immediate impact because it kinda fricks my argument.”
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:43 am to llfshoals
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Without dredging back up Ole Miss’s history I do believe that’s significantly better than they used to is it not?
Hugh Freeze recruited better there. They were also cheating though. They were #8 in 2013 when they had 4 5 stars.
This class they have only 1 5 star on 32 commits(thus far).
Last year they only had 1 5 star and a class ranked 17th with 48 commits.
Just because a guy was a 4 or 5 star out of HS it doesn't mean they are a 5 star as a transfer. They get re-evaluated and sometimes their value goes up, sometimes it goes down. The DE they got from Nebraska has a higher star value as a transfer then he did as a recruit for example. But most of them are devalued. Caleb Odom is a 3 star transfer for example, not the 5 star people keep claiming.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:44 am to llfshoals
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Without dredging back up Ole Miss’s history I do believe that’s significantly better than they used to is it not?
It is a definite improvement over Kiffins last few years. Our roster was fricked and he leaned a lot heavier into the portal to get that immediate success instead of still being shitty for 2 seasons while trying to recruit high school kids.
The plan has been from Day 1 to have a solid mix between developing high school recruits and bringing in transfers to fill positions of need. In theory, we should be improving high school recruiting every season….which we’re on track of doing.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:44 am to pankReb
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“I’m not counting players who are coming in and making an immediate impact because it kinda fricks my argument.”
Reading is hard.
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