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re: Remember: Saban’s record in Jordan Hare

Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:49 pm to
Trolling/joshing aside I just went back through some highlights of that 2014 game. Man Gus really dicked it up bad at the end of the 1st half. After the pick Coates made a catch at the 1 yard line for a first down with :28 seconds left. Auburn snapped the ball with :10 seconds left got stopped and called a timeout with :4 seconds left and kicked a FG on the last play of the half.

:28 seconds from the one yard line and you get off one play which is a handoff up the middle. Absolutely terrible clock management.
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:49 pm to
That is actually a very interesting stat tbh
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:57 pm to
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Trolling/joshing aside I just went back through some highlights of that 2014 game. Man Gus really dicked it up bad at the end of the 1st half. After the pick Coates made a catch at the 1 yard line for a first down with :28 seconds left. Auburn snapped the ball with :10 seconds left got stopped and called a timeout with :4 seconds left and kicked a FG on the last play of the half.

:28 seconds from the one yard line and you get off one play which is a handoff up the middle. Absolutely terrible clock management.





That 2014 game was just insane. It wasn't very well played on either side, but both sides had so many explosive offensive players and were really limited defensively. That was the least talented defensive team Saban has had since 2007, IMHO. Eddie Jackson was playing on 1 leg, we had zero pass rush, very weak group of LBs. The 2019 defense was much younger and had no idea what they were doing, but the 2014 defense just wasn't talented. And of course Auburn's defense was just an absolute clusterfvck.

Blake made some horrendous throws, and like you said Auburn had a real chance to go up 3 scores and didn't do it. Then Coop just kind of started running free around the secondary and we found a way to get a couple stops and the dam kind of broke.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:01 pm
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:59 pm to
Nick Marshall was Taylor made for Gus. The man could QB.

Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:00 pm to
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Our punting last year was atrocious, but generally it's been average to very good.


Bama had probably the best punter in the country a few short years ago. JK Scott was a legit weapon.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:00 pm to
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Nick Marshall was Taylor made for Gus. The man could QB.



He was absolutely terrifying, especially with Coates just running go routes down one side and big D-Williams catching everything in the vicinity all over the rest of the field.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:00 pm to
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Bama had probably the best punter in the country a few short years ago. JK Scott was a legit weapon.



Going from JK Scott to Skyler DeLong is about like going from Tua to Spencer Pennington.......or Cam Newton to Clint Moseley.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:03 pm
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:02 pm to
I hadn't let myself believe we could actually win, but I remember thinking literally the play before Cooper's long TD late in the 3rd that if we can get a stop on this possession we might be able to pull it off. That thought didn't last long.

That was the game I remember redzone Gus becoming a thing and with a few exceptions he's never really recovered from it.
Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:02 pm to
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Nick Marshall was Taylor made for Gus. The man could QB.




Had the defense not been warmed over dog shite at the end of Ellis Johnson's tenure, 14 could have been a great year for us.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:02 pm to
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He was absolutely terrifying, especially with Coates just running go routes down one side and big D-Williams catching everything in the vicinity all over the rest of the field.
yup, we had nothing for the man. Glad he isn't there anymore.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:04 pm to
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I hadn't let myself believe we could actually win, but I remember thinking literally the play before Cooper's long TD late in the 3rd that if we can get a stop on this possession we might be able to pull it off. That thought didn't last long.



I just remember us having a lead because we forced y'all into field goals and not really feeling super comfortable but feeling ok because you couldn't stop us and so we could hold serve.

Then all of a sudden it was like interception, long TD, interception, field goal, interception to start 3rd quarter. And all of a sudden I looked up and was like holy fvck we're about to be down 18 points.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:05 pm to
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Had the defense not been warmed over dog shite at the end of Ellis Johnson's tenure, 14 could have been a great year for us.



That offense was truly terrifying.

I still have no idea how you only scored 7 pts two weeks prior in Athens. That place has an even bigger voodoo hex on y'all than Tuscaloosa does (or Auburn for us).
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:07 pm to
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Had the defense not been warmed over dog shite at the end of Ellis Johnson's tenure, 14 could have been a great year for us.
obviously Cam took us down but Marshall was unstoppable, we had nothing for him. He scored at will.
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:26 pm to
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But I thought Nick was supposed to be a defensive genius, Willy?

He was - when Kirby and Pruitt were doing the work for him. Now he’s on the same level as Jim fricking Harbaugh
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:47 pm to
Yea Gus went wild with Cam and Nick and then decided to trot out a bunch of pocket passing QBs he had no idea how to develop or design an offense around.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:49 pm to
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Yea Gus went wild with Cam and Nick and then decided to trot out a bunch of pocket passing QBs he had no idea how to develop or design an offense around.



Still one of the most bizarre program/roster decisions I've ever seen.

That offense has a clear path to greatness
- piledriving run blockers on the OL
- fast QB with a big arm who can make solid quick decisions in the read game
- receivers who can win 1 on 1, either by running past or contested catches

He has done ok in #1 and #3, but he absolutely refuses to do #2. It makes no sense to me. I do not understand it at all. And on top of that, he's proven he has a pretty good eye for under the radar guys who possess those talents. And he just doesn't use it!
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:50 pm
Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:54 pm to
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He has done ok in #1 and #3, but he absolutely refuses to do #2. It makes no sense to me. I do not understand it at all. And on top of that, he's proven he has a pretty good eye for under the radar guys who possess those talents. And he just doesn't use it!



Nix could be great with a little more seasoning. He doesn't get enough credit for his legs, has a good arm, and can only get better at running the read as time goes on.

And he isn't particularly bad at it now.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:55 pm
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:05 pm to
Nix is mobile for what he is but he’s not a guy the defense has to consistently account for in a zone read and he isn’t going to turn many broken plays into big gains with his legs. This is what we need. Lately the OL thing has become a major issue as well and one that doesn’t look to be solving itself anytime soon.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:13 pm to
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Nix could be great with a little more seasoning. He doesn't get enough credit for his legs, has a good arm, and can only get better at running the read as time goes on.

And he isn't particularly bad at it now.


Agree, Nix reminds me of Burrow running the football (probably faster). Runs like a running back physically.

He still doesn't have that terrifying breakaway ability that makes you change the way you play your defense, though (like Marshall).
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:14 pm
Posted by Bigbens42
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:18 pm to
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He still doesn't have that terrifying breakaway ability that makes you change the way you play your defense, though (like Marshall).


Yeah but guys like Marshall don't exactly grow on trees lol. That guy was endowed by God to be a QB in Malzahn's system, and darn if he didn't deliver.
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