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Regarding conference realignment and the playoff - what about this plan?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:09 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:09 am
Here’s your drawing board… but I am thinking bigger – though this plan will solve the scheduling problem. Feel free to think I am crazy and shoot holes in the thought process. And yes, I know it will never happen.
Conferences
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**There will be six major conferences of 12 teams each, each conference will have two 6 team divisions. Let’s call these the “Champ 6 Conferences”. The teams currently classified as “FCS” and “FBS” will retain their groupings based on competition and attendance. The Champ 6 conferences will be:
****ACC (ATL – Clemson, NC State, Louisville, Fl St, Wake Forest, Boston College COASTAL – Miami, Va Tech, Duke, Ga Tech, Pitt, Virginia)
****SEC (W - Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Miss St, Mississippi, Arkansas E – Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, S. Carolina, Vanderbilt, Auburn)
****Big10 (E – Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland W – Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan St, Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota)
****Pac10 (N – Washington, Stanford, Wash St, Oregon, California, Boise St S – USC, Utah, Arizona, Ariz St, UCLA, Colorado)
****Big 12 (S – Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor N – Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa St, Kansas St, Wyoming, Colorado St)
****XXX (the best of the MWC, CUSA, independents, conference culls, etc) (E – West Virginia, Notre Dame, Central Florida, Florida Atlantic, South Florida, Navy W – BYU, Memphis, Houston, Air Force, Fresno St, San Diego St
****Relegated out (see below!) or just outside looking in: N. Carolina, Tennessee, Syracuse, Kansas, Illinois, Oregon St, Marshall, Louisiana Tech, Ohio, SMU, Temple, Troy, Utah St
Scheduling
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**NO Independents will be allowed to play in the Championship playoff, they must be part of a Champ 6 conference. A team MUST be a member of one of these conferences to be included in the national championship playoff. No exceptions. Therefore, the national champion will come from a pool of 72 conference teams. Period.
****Each team will play a 12 game schedule.
****Each team will play all other division rivals on a home-and-home basis, that’s 5/12 games.
****Each team will have home-and-home games from the other conference division, including one permanent rival other plus two rotating games, that’s another 3/12 games.
****Each team will have four out-of-conference games, for the final 4/12 games.
------Two of these games are solely at the discretion and up to the scheduling of the team. These may be within the Champ 6 conferences or out of the Champ 6 conferences or even FBS opponents. This will allow for more than 6 home games if a host team is willing to pay for an opponent, it will also allow for traditional rivalries [Example: Notre Dame vs USC]
------The other two games will be from out-of-conference Champ 6 opponents and these will be scheduled independently by the newly created College Football Scheduling Czar. These games will be scheduled by position on a two year cycle, where the selection positions will be changes. One game will be a top 3 division opponent (1-2-3 standing) and the other will be a bottom 3 division opponent (4-5-6). [Example: 2018 - SEC-W1 Auburn plays Pac12-N2 Washington at home, and Big12-S5 Kansas St away. 2019 – Auburn would play at Washington and host Kansas St. Recalculate for 2020-21. And so forth.]
------Therefore, a minimum of 10 games will occur against Champ 6 opponents.
------Each conference shall determine a conference champion via a conference championship game between its two division leaders.
**Teams who are outside of the Champ 6 conferences will have a chance to improve due to relegation on a two year cycle. Every two years, the lowest rated average final standing team of each conference regardless of division will be relegated out for non-performance. The top six teams not in a Champ 6 conference will enter on a regional basis. [Example: For 2018-19 based on 2016-17 performance - Tennessee, you’re out – and Oregon St just got replaced by Boise State.]
****Relegated out or just outside looking in: N. Carolina, Tennessee, Syracuse, Kansas, Illinois, Oregon St, Marshall, Louisiana Tech, Ohio, SMU, Temple, Troy
National Championship
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**There will be an 8 team playoff for the national championship.
**The playoff teams will include all six conference champions regardless of final won-loss record plus two at large teams to be determined by polls/voters/committee/computer/whatever.
**This will only take three weeks to play out, there is no real impact to the otherwise normal bowl schedule. No skipped weeks once the playoff starts.
Key Features
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Here’s what is different:
**Schedule considerations are almost rendered irrelevant – by using a mostly fixed opponent schedule, nobody can complain about cupcakes or advantages. This is a very fair system.
**Teams will play opponents they have never played before or in a very long time. This will create huge fan interest as chances occur to visit entirely new venues and locations.
**This system is actually more fair to the “have nots”. BYU is the only team in the last 40 years to even have a chance to play for the national championship outside the “traditional” Champ 6 teams. The relegation system infuses the process with fresh teams every two years – fresh rivalries, fresh travel, fresh recruiting grounds. You want a chance? Play your way in. If you don’t perform, you’re back out.
**This system is definitive with very little argument about whether a team deserved to be in the playoff. Just win your conference championship game.
Conferences
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**There will be six major conferences of 12 teams each, each conference will have two 6 team divisions. Let’s call these the “Champ 6 Conferences”. The teams currently classified as “FCS” and “FBS” will retain their groupings based on competition and attendance. The Champ 6 conferences will be:
****ACC (ATL – Clemson, NC State, Louisville, Fl St, Wake Forest, Boston College COASTAL – Miami, Va Tech, Duke, Ga Tech, Pitt, Virginia)
****SEC (W - Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Miss St, Mississippi, Arkansas E – Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, S. Carolina, Vanderbilt, Auburn)
****Big10 (E – Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland W – Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan St, Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota)
****Pac10 (N – Washington, Stanford, Wash St, Oregon, California, Boise St S – USC, Utah, Arizona, Ariz St, UCLA, Colorado)
****Big 12 (S – Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor N – Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa St, Kansas St, Wyoming, Colorado St)
****XXX (the best of the MWC, CUSA, independents, conference culls, etc) (E – West Virginia, Notre Dame, Central Florida, Florida Atlantic, South Florida, Navy W – BYU, Memphis, Houston, Air Force, Fresno St, San Diego St
****Relegated out (see below!) or just outside looking in: N. Carolina, Tennessee, Syracuse, Kansas, Illinois, Oregon St, Marshall, Louisiana Tech, Ohio, SMU, Temple, Troy, Utah St
Scheduling
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**NO Independents will be allowed to play in the Championship playoff, they must be part of a Champ 6 conference. A team MUST be a member of one of these conferences to be included in the national championship playoff. No exceptions. Therefore, the national champion will come from a pool of 72 conference teams. Period.
****Each team will play a 12 game schedule.
****Each team will play all other division rivals on a home-and-home basis, that’s 5/12 games.
****Each team will have home-and-home games from the other conference division, including one permanent rival other plus two rotating games, that’s another 3/12 games.
****Each team will have four out-of-conference games, for the final 4/12 games.
------Two of these games are solely at the discretion and up to the scheduling of the team. These may be within the Champ 6 conferences or out of the Champ 6 conferences or even FBS opponents. This will allow for more than 6 home games if a host team is willing to pay for an opponent, it will also allow for traditional rivalries [Example: Notre Dame vs USC]
------The other two games will be from out-of-conference Champ 6 opponents and these will be scheduled independently by the newly created College Football Scheduling Czar. These games will be scheduled by position on a two year cycle, where the selection positions will be changes. One game will be a top 3 division opponent (1-2-3 standing) and the other will be a bottom 3 division opponent (4-5-6). [Example: 2018 - SEC-W1 Auburn plays Pac12-N2 Washington at home, and Big12-S5 Kansas St away. 2019 – Auburn would play at Washington and host Kansas St. Recalculate for 2020-21. And so forth.]
------Therefore, a minimum of 10 games will occur against Champ 6 opponents.
------Each conference shall determine a conference champion via a conference championship game between its two division leaders.
**Teams who are outside of the Champ 6 conferences will have a chance to improve due to relegation on a two year cycle. Every two years, the lowest rated average final standing team of each conference regardless of division will be relegated out for non-performance. The top six teams not in a Champ 6 conference will enter on a regional basis. [Example: For 2018-19 based on 2016-17 performance - Tennessee, you’re out – and Oregon St just got replaced by Boise State.]
****Relegated out or just outside looking in: N. Carolina, Tennessee, Syracuse, Kansas, Illinois, Oregon St, Marshall, Louisiana Tech, Ohio, SMU, Temple, Troy
National Championship
---------------------
**There will be an 8 team playoff for the national championship.
**The playoff teams will include all six conference champions regardless of final won-loss record plus two at large teams to be determined by polls/voters/committee/computer/whatever.
**This will only take three weeks to play out, there is no real impact to the otherwise normal bowl schedule. No skipped weeks once the playoff starts.
Key Features
------------
Here’s what is different:
**Schedule considerations are almost rendered irrelevant – by using a mostly fixed opponent schedule, nobody can complain about cupcakes or advantages. This is a very fair system.
**Teams will play opponents they have never played before or in a very long time. This will create huge fan interest as chances occur to visit entirely new venues and locations.
**This system is actually more fair to the “have nots”. BYU is the only team in the last 40 years to even have a chance to play for the national championship outside the “traditional” Champ 6 teams. The relegation system infuses the process with fresh teams every two years – fresh rivalries, fresh travel, fresh recruiting grounds. You want a chance? Play your way in. If you don’t perform, you’re back out.
**This system is definitive with very little argument about whether a team deserved to be in the playoff. Just win your conference championship game.
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Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:10 am to iglass
tl;dr
Stahp
Stahp
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:12 am to hg
Ain't broke don't fix it
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:14 am to SAINTS0321
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SAINTS0321
Ain't broke don't fix it
That's a fair opinion and Bama is probably the only team that could say that. lol
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:16 am to iglass
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****Relegated out (see below!) or just outside looking in: ..., Tennessee,
I thought that the historical rivalry with Tennessee was more important to Bama fans than the good of the conference and having evenly balanced and geographically logical conferences?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:18 am to BowlJackson
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BowlJackson
Regarding conference realignment and the playoff - what about this plan?
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****Relegated out (see below!) or just outside looking in: ..., Tennessee,
I thought that the historical rivalry with Tennessee was more important to Bama fans than the good of the conference and having evenly balanced and geographically logical conferences?
Well, sure, in years past. You might have noticed that it's been a bit one sided and un-interesting lately.
Just sayin'. I mean, I hate Auburn too but at least you guys put up a fight every now and again.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 7:53 am to iglass
You wrote all of that just to troll Tennessee?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 7:55 am to Tigerkane79
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You wrote all of that just to troll Tennessee?
At midnight too. What a fricking loser
Posted on 7/10/18 at 9:10 am to iglass
Current system is fine.
I actually liked the BCS.
Only change needed to be fair is to eliminate mulligans.
I actually liked the BCS.
Only change needed to be fair is to eliminate mulligans.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 9:13 am to Tigerkane79
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You wrote all of that just to troll Tennessee?
Nah, not really. There's no real challenge in trolling Tennessee these days. It's not even worth the effort unless the opportunity just hits easy.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:23 am to iglass
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Big 12 (S – texass, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor N – Missouri,
Never. Ever. Again.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:42 am to iglass
that's a whole lot of typing to troll a team that went 0-8 in conference last season
Posted on 7/10/18 at 10:51 am to iglass
Conference realignment is dead. Cable TV markets don’t matter. It’s all over.
The future is streaming, and streaming service don’t give a shite about Iowa. Netflix and Amazon will try to carve out the big players and will halfway succeed (like I can see Texas or BYU or Notre Dame signing up alone but the SEC demands to be a bundle). We might have some nasty shite were we have two national championships for a few years.
The future is streaming, and streaming service don’t give a shite about Iowa. Netflix and Amazon will try to carve out the big players and will halfway succeed (like I can see Texas or BYU or Notre Dame signing up alone but the SEC demands to be a bundle). We might have some nasty shite were we have two national championships for a few years.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:19 am to cardboardboxer
I would just move LSU to the Big12.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:29 am to iglass
I didn't bother to read it because it doesn't matter what the system is, there will be controversy. No matter how we reshuffle the deck or how many teams we put in the playoff, the first couple of teams left out will raise hell. The truth is all of the controversy over the years and the debates they have sparked is one of the reasons it is the most popular sport in college. So even if we were able to fix it without controversy, the popularity of the sport would likely take a bit of a hit anyway. The thing that would take the biggest hit if we eliminate the controversy would be message boards like this.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 11:30 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:51 am to cardboardboxer
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Conference realignment is dead. Cable TV markets don’t matter. It’s all over.
The future is streaming, and streaming service don’t give a shite about Iowa. Netflix and Amazon will try to carve out the big players and will halfway succeed (like I can see Texas or BYU or Notre Dame signing up alone but the SEC demands to be a bundle). We might have some nasty shite were we have two national championships for a few years
Listen to this guy folks, there is a lot of truth in what he is saying. Once the streaming folks get a foot in the door things will change a lot. Some of it may well be for the good, some of it maybe not so much
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:04 pm to iglass
Best Tennessee troll ever. 
Posted on 7/10/18 at 1:03 pm to FredBear
Yeah the problem with the streaming guys compared to cable is the cable guys had a business plan to maximize the leverage over a cable footprint, and use the conference brands to prop up their own existence.
Meanwhile Netflix and Amazon have gotten where they are by disrupting those old models, which means they have 0% respect for the way conference football has been traditionally aligned and how it got to where it is. The tradition of college football is only worth the brand value it has in the minds of people, they don't care about the sport.
Programs that got fricked by conference realignment (so think Texas or USCw or BYU or Notre Dame) will see these new players as a way to reshuffle the deck and undo old mistakes. Other players who like they way it is today (namely the SEC and B1G) will fight these changes and use the brand leverage they have to keep things from changing too quickly. It might be outright civil war.
Add in the last piece of the pie- that Netflix and Amazon don't give a shite about regional politics either which could unravel the entire thing. ESPN and CBS and the like were careful not to exclude states that have powerful politicians that could rock the boat last realignment. If Netflix starts trying to cherry pick with big money on the line then programs left out can use their national political pressure to basically ruin the NCAA.
Netflix might actually want that because they probably don't like that the sport has so many unknowns and unlike say ESPN they don't want a part of shaping that future. They just want the end result where players are paid, lawsuits aren't hanging over everyone's heads and they can make plans without contingencies like ESPN does.
If they could accidentally set off the powder keg that undoes the whole "student athlete model" and kills the NCAA and conferences, then afterwards they can swoop in with "so about that whole yall turning into a minor league that we discussed before that you shot down..."
Meanwhile Netflix and Amazon have gotten where they are by disrupting those old models, which means they have 0% respect for the way conference football has been traditionally aligned and how it got to where it is. The tradition of college football is only worth the brand value it has in the minds of people, they don't care about the sport.
Programs that got fricked by conference realignment (so think Texas or USCw or BYU or Notre Dame) will see these new players as a way to reshuffle the deck and undo old mistakes. Other players who like they way it is today (namely the SEC and B1G) will fight these changes and use the brand leverage they have to keep things from changing too quickly. It might be outright civil war.
Add in the last piece of the pie- that Netflix and Amazon don't give a shite about regional politics either which could unravel the entire thing. ESPN and CBS and the like were careful not to exclude states that have powerful politicians that could rock the boat last realignment. If Netflix starts trying to cherry pick with big money on the line then programs left out can use their national political pressure to basically ruin the NCAA.
Netflix might actually want that because they probably don't like that the sport has so many unknowns and unlike say ESPN they don't want a part of shaping that future. They just want the end result where players are paid, lawsuits aren't hanging over everyone's heads and they can make plans without contingencies like ESPN does.
If they could accidentally set off the powder keg that undoes the whole "student athlete model" and kills the NCAA and conferences, then afterwards they can swoop in with "so about that whole yall turning into a minor league that we discussed before that you shot down..."
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 7/10/18 at 1:15 pm to iglass
Tennessee won't be booted out if the sec. Get real dude. I mean, get real. U must be like 19. We once beat Tennessee 11 straight times.
They won't b outside looking in. Another conference picks them up immediately if u r stupid enough to make that kind of move. If ur whole premise is that Tennessee isn't competitive against Bama, well, Arkie hasn't beaten us since 06, miss state 07, a&m once, Lsu has like 7 in a row to us. Hell the only team we'd play is auburn.
Mellinials have no idea of anything past about 2009. Learn about how history works and quit believing the world didn't begin until u were born.
They won't b outside looking in. Another conference picks them up immediately if u r stupid enough to make that kind of move. If ur whole premise is that Tennessee isn't competitive against Bama, well, Arkie hasn't beaten us since 06, miss state 07, a&m once, Lsu has like 7 in a row to us. Hell the only team we'd play is auburn.
Mellinials have no idea of anything past about 2009. Learn about how history works and quit believing the world didn't begin until u were born.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 3:38 am to TouchdownTony
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TouchdownTony
Regarding conference realignment and the playoff - what about this plan?
Tennessee won't be booted out if the sec. Get real dude. I mean, get real. U must be like 19. We once beat Tennessee 11 straight times.
They won't b outside looking in. Another conference picks them up immediately if u r stupid enough to make that kind of move. If ur whole premise is that Tennessee isn't competitive against Bama, well, Arkie hasn't beaten us since 06, miss state 07, a&m once, Lsu has like 7 in a row to us. Hell the only team we'd play is auburn.
Mellinials have no idea of anything past about 2009. Learn about how history works and quit believing the world didn't begin until u were born.
Ok, this tells me that you were in "TL/DR" mode. Fair enough. I get that I made a complex, long post about a topic that most people either aren't interested in right NOW or they are happy with the status quo. My entire point of making a long post was alternative thinking about a championship playoff as discussed in other threads. How could the college football process be better? Every year, all I hear is bitching and moaning from a LOT of sides... is there a better process out there?
But a couple of points... this wasn't at all about Tennessee. It's not because *we* beat them consistently... it's because they didn't win hardly ANY SEC games over the last couple of years.
If you would have taken a full minute to read the post part about relegation, you'd have understood that the worst performer in all six conferences would be out so that six new teams could rotate in, and that no other major 6 conference would be able to pick them up because of the structure. That's what you get for not winning any games in your conference - last year, in the SEC, that was Tennessee. Most years, that probably would have been Vandy.
And no, I am not a millennial. I probably learned English and typing before you you were born, so it might seem from your content spelling. I can even spell "millennial". And frankly, the phrase "u r stupid" sort of loses impact.
Just sayin'. Roll Tide and have a good week.
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