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Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:08 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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Orgeron will always have the hardware to fall back on. Then again.. so does Gene Chizik.
Chizik is the main reason I don't think Orgeron trumps Kirby on 2019 ALONE (which is why his 2018 job supports that 2019 wasn't a fluke).
Kirby did make the CFP finals, win an SEC title and one the East in another year. He's technically one win in OT away from having more hardware than Orgeron in a similar time frame. That's NOT saying Kirby is better, just that the two are close enough that one could make valid arguments for either.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:09 pm to LSU Patrick
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However, O is objectively better
Based on what? Championships? Yes, but then he’s only as good as Chizik, which I don’t thinks the case. In terms of career winning percentage or record against top 10 opponents Kirby has the edge. There’s no definitive way to answer the question, especially since O has coached longer.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:09 pm to atlanta917
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Based on what? Championships?
Do I have to copy and paste from my previous post that very clearly illustrates this?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:10 pm to atlanta917
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There’s really no objective way to determine this.
Orgeron has a natty and beat Kirby both times they faced.
Not sure what more you can ask for?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:10 pm to atlanta917
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especially since O has coached longer.
And accomplished more. Which some of you seem to think doesn't matter, for some reason.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:11 pm to atlanta917
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There’s no definitive way to answer the question, especially since O has coached longer.
Two seasons more?
Damn so long.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:11 pm to atlanta917
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There’s really no objective way to determine this. I’m sure LSU fans are happy with O just like UGA fans are happy with Smart.
Sure there is. Look at the accomplishments of both at their current schools and you will objectively see, if you put down the red colored glasses, that CEO is the better coach between the two.
Better yet, please tell us what makes you think Kirby is better than O when comparing the jobs they've done at LSU and UGA.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:14 pm to SonzofSaban
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And accomplished more. Which some of you seem to think doesn't matter, for some reason.
How many years did it take O to win a natty? 8 years? Oregon’s life time record is 56-36. Smart’s is 44-12.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:15 pm to ibldprplgld
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As far as consistency: CEO is averaging 11.33 wins per season as HC at LSU. Kirby is averaging an even 11.
Ed only has 3 full seasons and a partial one as HC for his resume (at LSU). Averaging wins with such a small sample size is a bit rough. Prior to his final season, Chizik "averaged" 10 wins per season.
I'll definitely grant you that CEO has tougher competition. I just wouldn't use averages and then discount CEO's first season (albeit a partial one) but not Kirby's. In their last 3 seasons, Kirby is averaging 12 wins to CEO's 11.3.
I'm just saying that Kirby is literally one pass play away from having a leg up on CEO, if we're looking at wins and hardware. CEO definitely has the best season out of all the coaches though.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:17 pm to ibldprplgld
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Better yet, please tell us what makes you think Kirby is better than O when comparing the jobs they've done at LSU and UGA.
Why are you cherry picking years? Is the question which coach has had a better career or which has had a better season? Smart has been more consistent throughout his career. Oregon’s best season is better than Kirby’s best season.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:19 pm to atlanta917
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How many years did it take O to win a natty? 8 years? Oregon’s life time record is 56-36. Smart’s is 44-12.
How many years is it gonna take Kirby to do it at Georgia? Is he ever gonna do it?
Be honest with yourself.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:21 pm to atlanta917
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Why are you cherry picking years?
Because comparing Smart at Georgia to Orgeron at Ole Miss is something only Georgia fans so they can feel better about Smart.
Here's the numbers for their current jobs (which is all that really matters right now anyway):
Kirby Smart
Georgia record (2016 – present): 44-12
Career record against SEC opponents: 26-10
Ed Orgeron
LSU record (2016 [interim], 2017 [full-time] – current): 40-9
Career record against SEC opponents: 23-7 at LSU
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:21 pm to SonzofSaban
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How many years is it gonna take Kirby to do it at Georgia? Is he ever gonna do it?
I have no idea. I don’t think anyone knows.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:22 pm to atlanta917
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How many years did it take O to win a natty?
Orgeron has been a head coach 6 years to Kirby's 4.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:23 pm to atlanta917
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I have no idea. I don’t think anyone knows.
But we know whether Ed will or not.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:23 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Because comparing Smart at Georgia to Orgeron at Ole Miss is something only Georgia fans so they can feel better about Smart.
Ole miss and USC are still part of his resume. You can’t just ignore data that you don’t like.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:24 pm to atlanta917
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have no idea. I don’t think anyone knows.
That's the point. Ed doesn't have to answer those questions in press conferences anymore.
Kirby, on the other hand...
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:24 pm to atlanta917
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Ole miss and USC are still part of his resume.
We'll compare Kirby and O's records at those programs when Kirby takes HC jobs there.
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You can’t just ignore data that you don’t like.
That's exactly what you have done this entire thread.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:25 pm to atlanta917
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Ole miss and USC are still part of his resume. You can’t just ignore data that you don’t like.
Again, because it makes you feel better about Smart.
Its likely Smart isnt doing very well if he is the coach of Ole Miss either.
I love how Georgia fans like to compare Smart at Georgia vs Saban at Michigan State or Orgeron at Ole Miss.
Whatever makes you feel better.
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