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re: Question for you Gumps. Houndstooth and NC discussion inside.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:48 pm to ohiovol
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:48 pm to ohiovol
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Which is what I don't understand. What makes 1941 more legitimate than 1945 or 1966? Serious question.
It is claimed because of Houlgate being the predecessor for the AP back in those years.
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Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:49 pm to Alahunter
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Not quite. Bama COULD claim more, but they don't. I simply showed you they claimed titles the same as Bama pre-AP poll. Proving you wrong in your assertion that other programs don't do it.
ND's 11 is either AP, UPI or consensus. Bama claims some with neither. So they do not use your same standard. Does that make any sense to you?
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:49 pm to T Rey WI
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It is claimed because of Houlgate being the predecessor for the AP back in those years.
If you beat LSU in January, please petition your school to just include 2011 and just phase 1941 out.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:50 pm to TotalYatMove
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It is claimed because of Houlgate being the predecessor for the AP back in those years.
AP started awarding a winner in 1936.
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:51 pm to TotalYatMove
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ND's 11 is either AP, UPI or consensus. Bama claims some with neither. So they do not use your same standard. Does that make any sense to you?
You realize ND didn't play in Bowl games before 1970, right? You also realize, that 4 of them from 1924 to 1949 were not AP or UPI, right?
I'm betting you don't, and you are just continuing to fabricate.
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:53 pm to ohiovol
I already suggested to Mal Moore that he replace 1941 with both 1945 and 1966. He just laughed at me.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 4:56 pm to T Rey WI
Just as a side note. Mal Moore was a player/coach/AD at Alabama for each of the last 8 National Championships that Alabama has won. 
Win two more and he will have to retire since he only has 10 fingers.
Win two more and he will have to retire since he only has 10 fingers.
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 5:05 pm to TT9
Posted on 12/13/11 at 5:38 pm to Alahunter
If they keep bitching, I'll start claiming all 26 we've been awarded.
26 NC's, Bitches.
26 NC's, Bitches.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 5:40 pm to Teague
I think my last post was on page 4 or 5. I would chime in, but haven't a freakin clue what everyone is talking about now. 
Posted on 12/13/11 at 5:42 pm to RollTideRockStar
Fans of other schools are being exposed for their lack of actual knowledge about Bama's NC situation. They read the cute little AU fan "Bama's NC's Debunked" article and thought they knew what they were talking about. They're looking pretty foolish though.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 7:17 pm to Teague
Everyone knows that #12 will always signify the great Brodie Croyle.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 7:35 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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Bama does claim them and no offense to you since I don't know you personally, many Bama fans use it as some sort of superiority thing to hold over everyone else.
Duh. What would you like us to hold over you that would make you feel better? Lead series over everyone in the SEC? Most conference championships? More bowl appearances and wins than anybody? More all-americans? Higher attendance? Higher revenue? More undefeated seasons or 10 win seasons?
Pick your poison. We are being nice choosing something somewhat subjective, because all those other things are stone cold fact.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:21 pm to Darth_Vader
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Question for you Gumps. Houndstooth and NC discussion inside.
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And like I said above, we didn't invent or create those titles...we just acknowledged that there were indeed titles awarded before Bear Bryant's tenure.
True, but unlike most programs Bama does claim them and no offense to you since I don't know you personally, many Bama fans use it as some sort of superiority thing to hold over everyone else. As has been pointed out here, other programs could claim many more titles than they do, especially when you go back beyond the 1930's. Auburn for example has been awarded national championships in 1913, 1914, 1957, 1958, 1983, 1993, 2004 and 2010. But like virtually every other program we only really claim the ones awarded by the major services. The main reason Auburn and virtually every other program only claims these titles is to do otherwise just seems to be an attempt to over inflate someone importance.
I'm not saying this as a troll or to start a flame war. I'm mearly pointing out the fact from the outside looking in, to the rest of the college football world, Alabama claiming 13 NC's and bringing it up so much and making such a huge deal about it is beyond absurd. Yes Alabama has one of, if not the, richest histories in college football. But to over inflate that history in this manner is just off putting to others.
Solid post Darth Vader
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:34 pm to T Rey WI
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Which is what I don't understand. What makes 1941 more legitimate than 1945 or 1966? Serious question.
It is claimed because of Houlgate being the predecessor for the AP back in those years.
Claiming 41 is a joke. You finished 14 in the major polls.
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:35 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
1941 sucks.. you can have it..
Posted on 12/14/11 at 8:57 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Solid post Darth Vader
Thanks GC Tiger. Of course there was one person who read that same post and accused me of being a liar and for some odd reason cited the NC's that tOSU, Michigan and ND claim as proof of my lies.
I still have yet to get anything remotely like a semi-intelligent explanation of what these other schools' NC's have anything to do with my post. I suppose that it's possible I had my expectations a bit to high.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 9:04 am to Darth_Vader
Reread what you posted, and then my first response to it. Maybe with a day between, you'll see how your claims and my response shows your incorrect allegations.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 9:20 am to Alahunter
I claimed that "unlike most programs" Bama claims these obscure NC's while others do not. I never said Bama was the only one. That's why I said "unlike most" instead of something like "unlike all other".
You took this and then made the absurd accusation that I was a lair and you cited all the NC's from these mid-western teams as proof. In other words you failed to actually read and comprehend my post and instead saw what you wanted to see and put in what meaning you wanted it to have based on the fact that you are a Bama fan and I'm an Auburn fan. The problem with trying to carry on a discussion in this manner is that you allow your emotions as a fan to override logic. If you will simply put aside your preconceived notions, look at matters from a logical rather than an emotional standpoint, you will see I was not telling any lies, nor was I even trying to really say anything negative about the program at Alabama. My only intention was to provide factual background information regarding the subject at hand along with how this matter is perceived by those outside the Alabama fan base, especially among the other SEC fans.
I have no interest in trolling or the petty mindless pissing matched that have been so prevalent on message boards as long as the interwebs have been around. I find them quite boring in that they go around the same circle over and over. I find it particularly revolting when a point made by myself or others is met with insults instead of a well thought out reply based on logic and fact. These insults only serve to paint the person hurling them as incapable of intelligent discussion and does nothing to further the discussion but rather it often results in said discussion devolving into garbage. I prefer to engage in frank honest discussion of football and the proud programs we have here in the SEC and welcome the chance to do so with fans of all schools, irregardless of who they are.
You took this and then made the absurd accusation that I was a lair and you cited all the NC's from these mid-western teams as proof. In other words you failed to actually read and comprehend my post and instead saw what you wanted to see and put in what meaning you wanted it to have based on the fact that you are a Bama fan and I'm an Auburn fan. The problem with trying to carry on a discussion in this manner is that you allow your emotions as a fan to override logic. If you will simply put aside your preconceived notions, look at matters from a logical rather than an emotional standpoint, you will see I was not telling any lies, nor was I even trying to really say anything negative about the program at Alabama. My only intention was to provide factual background information regarding the subject at hand along with how this matter is perceived by those outside the Alabama fan base, especially among the other SEC fans.
I have no interest in trolling or the petty mindless pissing matched that have been so prevalent on message boards as long as the interwebs have been around. I find them quite boring in that they go around the same circle over and over. I find it particularly revolting when a point made by myself or others is met with insults instead of a well thought out reply based on logic and fact. These insults only serve to paint the person hurling them as incapable of intelligent discussion and does nothing to further the discussion but rather it often results in said discussion devolving into garbage. I prefer to engage in frank honest discussion of football and the proud programs we have here in the SEC and welcome the chance to do so with fans of all schools, irregardless of who they are.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 9:27 am to Darth_Vader
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My only intention was to provide factual background information regarding the subject at hand along with how this matter is perceived by those outside the Alabama fan base, especially among the other SEC fans.
Yet, you had no idea what other schools claim and do not claim. Feel free to list these "most schools" that don't make claims and I'll be happy to research them. Since you made this statement, I'm confident you can list those that don't.
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I have no interest in trolling or the petty mindless pissing matched that have been so prevalent on message boards as long as the interwebs have been around. I find them quite boring in that they go around the same circle over and over. I find it particularly revolting when a point made by myself or others is met with insults instead of a well thought out reply based on logic and fact. These insults only serve to paint the person hurling them as incapable of intelligent discussion and does nothing to further the discussion but rather it often results in said discussion devolving into garbage. I prefer to engage in frank honest discussion of football and the proud programs we have here in the SEC and welcome the chance to do so with fans of all schools, irregardless of who they are.
If you want to engage in honest discussion, then back up your blanket statement about most schools. You've not done that and have deflected when I started listing schools that do make the very claims you said most do not. As far as your statement saying you weren't really trying to say anything negative about Alabama, I'd say that is also a dishonest statement. You made claims about them, that you have failed to back up that cast them in a negative light. You also failed to point out the selectors that listed them as NC's in the years you claim they shouldn't have listed as NC's. Please enlighten me with more detail on your reasons behined your claims and back them up with actual facts and we may can have a more honest discussion.
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