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re: Question about votes OSU will need to pass Alabama
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:06 pm to Elleshoe
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:06 pm to Elleshoe
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Elleshoe
Unless Stanford drops one more the best case for OSU is to split votes with Stanford. If that happens then OSU would not have a chance to catch Bama on the strength of thier computer numbers alone.
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:07 pm to T Rey WI
All I'm saying is no one knows what the pollsters will do. I don't. You don't. Edwards doesn't. Bama fans saying all they have to do is beat Barn are delusional.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:10 pm to Elleshoe
I realize OSU can do it. BUT Alabama is the 2nd best team in the country and is getting the votes because of it. For OSU to just get the votes needed on the last day because of political reasons would be a screw job. no?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:11 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I'm not 100% familiar with the votes during the week you are talking about. Didn't 2 teams lose in the last week that would have gone to the NC over LSU? LSU was obviously in the SEC then and was probably the sexy pick to be in the NCG if those teams happen to lose. That's just the way the SEC is. Alabama is in the SEC and seems like the sexy pick, and is already getting all the 2nd place votes. OSU is getting some 7th place votes. That isn't something to just shrug off.
We lost to Arkansas and dropped to 7th. Then West Virginia and Missouri lost. Georgia, Virginia Tech, and another team were also ahead of us. When it didn't look like any of those 4 teams had a chance to make the title game, it really didn't matter where they voted us. But for the final poll after the two teams lost, and they knew their vote would/could send someone to the title game, the voters compared our body of work against the others....and we jumped them.
My point is voters basically move teams up and down each week based on who wins, who loses, and who looks impressive...but when it comes to the final poll they vote for who they think should be playing for the championship. It certainly wouldn't be a surprise if Alabama holds strong where it's at, but it also wouldn't be a huge surprise if voters decide they want to vote a one loss conference champion in that spot after all the games have been played.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:18 pm to MOT
Man it must have been an awesome feeling waking up in 7th and going to sleep knowing your team is NCG bound 
Didn't y'all beat UGA in the SECCG and VT earlier that year? Then those other 2 teams lost also? That seems way different than what is happening this year.
Didn't y'all beat UGA in the SECCG and VT earlier that year? Then those other 2 teams lost also? That seems way different than what is happening this year.Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:18 pm to ReauxlTide222
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For OSU to just get the votes needed on the last day because of political reasons would be a screw job. no?
I mean, I can see the side for how they could be deserving of the 2 spot over Alabama. Just like how I see Alabama's case for the 2 spot.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:19 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Didn't y'all beat UGA in the SECCG and VT earlier that year
nah we beat Tennessee in the SECCG
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:27 pm to Elleshoe
Fair enough. Why was Georgia ranked higher than LSU?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:33 pm to ReauxlTide222
Here are some scenarios that will get OSU past Bama.
1) LSU defeats Arkansas. Wisconsin defeats Penn State. Penn State and Arkansas are two quality wins that have helped Bama in the polls. If Arkansas loses, they will drop in the polls behind the one-loss teams assuming there are any left. Penn State could drop significantly in the polls, possibly as low as 23. If Bama wins a close game against Auburn and Oklahoma State decisively defeats Oklahoma, then OSU becomes a conference champion. With Bama sitting on the sidelines while LSU plays UGA in Atlanta, OSU looks like a better argument in this scenario.
2) Alabama loses to Auburn. Oklahoma State defeats Oklahoma. LSU defeats Arkansas. This scenario should need no explanation. Oklahoma State would move to the #2 spot while Alabama slides back behind the one loss teams, but in front of Arkansas.
1) LSU defeats Arkansas. Wisconsin defeats Penn State. Penn State and Arkansas are two quality wins that have helped Bama in the polls. If Arkansas loses, they will drop in the polls behind the one-loss teams assuming there are any left. Penn State could drop significantly in the polls, possibly as low as 23. If Bama wins a close game against Auburn and Oklahoma State decisively defeats Oklahoma, then OSU becomes a conference champion. With Bama sitting on the sidelines while LSU plays UGA in Atlanta, OSU looks like a better argument in this scenario.
2) Alabama loses to Auburn. Oklahoma State defeats Oklahoma. LSU defeats Arkansas. This scenario should need no explanation. Oklahoma State would move to the #2 spot while Alabama slides back behind the one loss teams, but in front of Arkansas.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:33 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Man it must have been an awesome feeling waking up in 7th and going to sleep knowing your team is NCG bound Didn't y'all beat UGA in the SECCG and VT earlier that year? Then those other 2 teams lost also? That seems way different than what is happening this year.
We beat Tennessee, not impressively but with a backup QB, while Georgia wasn't playing. We had beaten VT like a drum early in the season. I think the other team was Kansas but I'm not positive. They dropped us below all those teams when we lost, but moved us back ahead of them when they knew one of us would have to be #2.
Another thing Alabama needs is for Oregon not to be upset by Oregon State. That would open the door for Stanford to possibly be a one loss conference champion and they already sit in a pretty good spot in the polls.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:34 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Fair enough. Why was Georgia ranked higher than LSU?
Because they were playing well, hadn't lost since October, and we lost the previous week.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:40 pm to MOT
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Another thing Alabama needs is for Oregon not to be upset by Oregon State. That would open the door for Stanford to possibly be a one loss conference champion and they already sit in a pretty good spot in the polls.
Stanford's computer score still isn't good enough. If they hadn't lost to Oregon, it would be a different discussion. They'd be sitting pretty at #2.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:43 pm to MOT
No dout LSU and Bama r the 2 best teams in the country,but no one outside the sec will want a rematch.if we get a rematch the sec will load up with millions ,the other conferences don't want that.its all about the money.as long as okie st or VT don't lose ,one of them will play LSU as long as we don't lose.it will be left up to the coaches and the ap voters.the only coaches that will vote for Bama will be the sec coaches.the rest will vote Bama way down just so they won't get in.Now if Bama is the last one lost team then they have no choice but to let them in.okie st and VT have to lose again for Bama to get in.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:52 pm to Elleshoe
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I mean, I can see the side for how they could be deserving of the 2 spot over Alabama. Just like how I see Alabama's case for the 2 spot.
I agree.
The problem is that I can also just as easily see the reasoning behind "best team" voters that have ballots which look like this too:
1 LSU
2 Alabama
3 Stanford
4 Virginia Tech
5 Oklahoma St
Stanford almost certainly has to lose and probably Virginia Tech since some voters already seem to like them and they have solid wins coming up.
Hell, there may even be a handful of Houston and/or Boise St votes ahead of them. Also, will some southern voters still keep Arkansas above them if the LSU games' close and Arky has only lost to #1 and #2 instead of Iowa St? A few is certainly possible and even defensible.
My point isn't about one detail but that all the people claiming how good of a shot Oklahoma St has simply points out any reason for them possibly gaining poll points but effaces all the possible things taking them away.
If Stanford and VT lose then I can see where it may get close. Otherwise I just can't see it.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 4:01 pm to MOT
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We lost to Arkansas and dropped to 7th. Then West Virginia and Missouri lost. Georgia, Virginia Tech, and another team were also ahead of us. When it didn't look like any of those 4 teams had a chance to make the title game, it really didn't matter where they voted us. But for the final poll after the two teams lost, and they knew their vote would/could send someone to the title game, the voters compared our body of work against the others....and we jumped them.
My point is voters basically move teams up and down each week based on who wins, who loses, and who looks impressive...but when it comes to the final poll they vote for who they think should be playing for the championship. It certainly wouldn't be a surprise if Alabama holds strong where it's at, but it also wouldn't be a huge surprise if voters decide they want to vote a one loss conference champion in that spot after all the games have been played.
so many Bama fans just do not understand this concept
LSU fans lived it. We know how the voters react in the final poll.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:45 pm to WikiTiger
I think a lot comes down to what human voters think- and none of us can say we know that
Some will think the Tide should be there because they are the 2nd best team- others will say they had their chance at home and someone else should get a shot
Question is who and how many think something other than Tide being in BCSNC ? that is the 64K question
Some will think the Tide should be there because they are the 2nd best team- others will say they had their chance at home and someone else should get a shot
Question is who and how many think something other than Tide being in BCSNC ? that is the 64K question
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:57 pm to 756
I think the biggest issues facing Bama are:
1. 2 SEC teams in NC game to guarantee 6 in a row.
2. Allowing a third SEC team the possibility of getting into a BCS game thus meaning literally millions more to the SEC.
3. Not being a conference champion much less not even playing in a championship game.
4. Rematch
Not saying it won't or shouldn't happen. Just the cons against Bama.
1. 2 SEC teams in NC game to guarantee 6 in a row.
2. Allowing a third SEC team the possibility of getting into a BCS game thus meaning literally millions more to the SEC.
3. Not being a conference champion much less not even playing in a championship game.
4. Rematch
Not saying it won't or shouldn't happen. Just the cons against Bama.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:58 pm to ReauxlTide222
Absolute screwing of Alabama? You lost your chance on November 5 when you got beat at home. Consider ANY morsel of consideration for your asses backing into the BCSNC game a fricking GIFT.
Pfffft. screwing of Alabama, give me a break. And don't come back with that weak arse "what about LSU in 2007" crap.
There's a big difference from that LSU team and Alabama this year. The difference is:
1. They won their division
2. They won their conference
3. We didn't get beat by Ohio State AT HOME, and then get GIVEN a do over.
4. There was no one else (not even Georgia) who had a better resume than LSU
Pfffft. screwing of Alabama, give me a break. And don't come back with that weak arse "what about LSU in 2007" crap.
There's a big difference from that LSU team and Alabama this year. The difference is:
1. They won their division
2. They won their conference
3. We didn't get beat by Ohio State AT HOME, and then get GIVEN a do over.
4. There was no one else (not even Georgia) who had a better resume than LSU
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:05 pm to 756
There are a lot of coaches of other conferences and voters who have agendas if given the choice would be reluctant as hell to give the SEC an automatic BCS national champion by pitting LSU and Alabama against each other. If there is any justification, no matter how thin to pit another conference champion against whatever SEC team is playing for the national championship you can bet your sweet arse that is what is going to happen.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:48 pm to ozland
Bama's top wins
#3 Arky
#19 Penn St
#42 Florida
#45 Miss St.
#46 Tenn
#60 Vandy
Also already lost to the #1 team and likely potential BCS opponent at home
Likely will not win their own division, not make it to a conference championship game and not win their conference
OSU as a whole has much better wins and could still beat the #9 BCS team while Bama is idle
Its not that complicated to see why voters could sway if OSU beats OU the final weekend when Bama would be idle
#3 Arky
#19 Penn St
#42 Florida
#45 Miss St.
#46 Tenn
#60 Vandy
Also already lost to the #1 team and likely potential BCS opponent at home
Likely will not win their own division, not make it to a conference championship game and not win their conference
OSU as a whole has much better wins and could still beat the #9 BCS team while Bama is idle
Its not that complicated to see why voters could sway if OSU beats OU the final weekend when Bama would be idle
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