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Per Sports Illustrated, the CFP expansion to 12 teams is in peril

Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted by JetDawg
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:19 pm to
Good.


There are two things that makes something valuable.

Rarity and demand. If 12 teams make the playoff, then it will no longer be a rare feat to make the playoffs.


This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted by ugastudent
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:22 pm to
Why would the Pac 12 vote to keep a system that leaves them out every year? They deserve all the bad things that happen to them.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:22 pm to
I would be happy with 8. Each P5 champion and 3 at large.
Posted by VolsUberAlles
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:25 pm to
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rare feet


Georgia education meets fetishization.
Posted by higgs_boson
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

There are two things that makes something valuable.

Rarity and demand. If 12 teams make the playoff, then it will no longer be a rare feet to make the playoffs.




I disagree a bit here. I think you are speaking to the quality of teams for the playoffs.

Just in terms of numbers/eyeballs of those watching games, I think demand increases when people continue to watch teams that are eliminated from top 4 but could still get in with the expanded format.

Not saying it makes a better product, but it keeps fanbases with historically large numbers actively engaged longer(thinking of teams like ND).

I doubt it would seriously change the final four makeup in a given year though.

From the other conferences perspective, i think they are shooting themselves in the foot. This pretty much makes certain a G5 team gets in and at least one team from every power 5.

Again, I don't know if another format would be better or worse for the SEC.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:32 pm to
The SEC has already put 2 teams in a 4 team playoff. The SEC has already put 2 teams in a BCS 2 team playoff. Who needs who?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:33 pm to
12 would keep the regular season important though, ironically more than 8 would.

You still want to be in that top 4 to get a bye, then you want to get in that next 4 to get a home game. Last 4 just happy to be there.

And with home games in the first round there’s a hell of an incentive because hosting Utah and traveling to Wisconsin in December are a hell of a lot different propositions. That jockeying will create a good bit more relevant regular season games than we have now.

I think they’ll get there eventually, this is more about ESPN than actually expanding the playoff.

And it would be good for the SEC FWIW
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Naked Bootleg
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:33 pm to
Im good with 8. Anything more is too many
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:34 pm to
Read my post. 12 is actually better than 8 for keeping the regular season interesting and important.
Posted by higgs_boson
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

The SEC has already put 2 teams in a 4 team playoff. The SEC has already put 2 teams in a BCS 2 team playoff. Who needs who?


I really believe the pressure to keep 2 SEC teams out this year will be intense.
Posted by Richard Dangler
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Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:39 pm to
I bet that they would change their mind if OU and Texas decided to stay in the Big 12.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:39 pm to
Dellinger does his homework for sure!
Bottom line - No need for sec expansion without cfp expansion


He knows media, he knows sports and he knows that college sports needs to explore an adjusted model for its media rights, such as not having one company—in this case, ESPN—controlling its entire postseason.

Kliavkoff has expressed this both privately and publicly. He has plenty who agree with him as well.

“ESPN has been a great partner on the playoff and is a great partner for college football,” Bowlsby, the Big 12 commissioner, says. “There’s no question that competition in the marketplace is good for rights sellers. It’s no different for the playoff than it is with anything.”

The issue with ESPN got more intense this summer, when many publicly and privately accused the network of arranging Texas and Oklahoma’s future move to the SEC. Bowlsby even sent a cease and desist letter to the network. ESPN has categorically denied its involvement.
Posted by Toroballistic
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

12 is actually better than 8 for keeping the regular season interesting and important.


And 4 works better than either.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:41 pm to
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I would be happy with 8. Each P5 champion and 3 at large.


I would prefer 6. With them going to the BCS Bowl formula and top 6 go. (I actually like the current format, though)
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:42 pm to
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And 4 works better than either.


Depends on your end goal.

If it’s just to crown the most deserving champion then you’re right, 4 is optimal.

If you’re looking to increase the relevance of regular season games in a playoff era when making a major bowl doesn’t mean what it used to, 12 is the perfect number IMO.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 12:50 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

Georgia education meets fetishization.


Crap! I would love to blame it on spell check, but I just typed it and then missed in when I looked it over.
Fixed now.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:45 pm to
The PAC 12 would have been left out of a 12 team playoff in 2020.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:45 pm to
If they don't expand to 12, then Oklahoma and especially Texas just committed playoff suicide. The final catalyst for them moving was the opportunity to get numerous sec teams in the playoff... And now, even if they expand to 6 or so, they fricked themselves.

It's kind of glorious, actually, that their greediness may actually come back to bite them in the arse.

And as for people saying, 'why would the Pac-12, Big 12, etc vote against 12 teams', well, sticking it to Texas and OU is a factor here. Those commissioner s, especially Bowlsby, would get no greater feeling than making sure the SEC can only get in one, maybe two teams for the foreseeable future. They'd do it for the melt alone.
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
1115 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:49 pm to
The clamor to stop the expansion of CFP just because Oklahoma joins the SEC is nonsensical and illogical. Once OU is in the SEC, the SEC will have at least 3 teams in the 4 team playoff each and every year.

The bowls would be even more irrelevant, the other conferences would be irrelevant with a 4 team playoff and Oklahoma in the SEC.....
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