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re: Outside of record why is Harsin done?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:28 pm to aujerm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:28 pm to aujerm
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Does not put in near the required effort to recruit successfully at this level
The Boise recruiting model has always been to avoid head to head recruiting battles and find diamonds in the rough that would dream of getting a chance at a place like Boise. Redshirt them, develop them, maintain that blue collar attitude of guys who owe everything to Boise, and have teams of mostly redshirt seniors year after year. Chris Peterson got offers at places like Florida but said no because he knew that style would never work in the SEC. AU was dumb enough to hire a guy who convinced them he could make it work in the SEC.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:37 pm to thelawnwranglers
quote:this is bullshite - you don’t have to kiss arse to succeed
Saw something about not kidding hs coaches asses
but you also can’t just fail to show up ever - making an effort and actually acting like you care does not equate to kissing arse - he has put in no effort
Which means he is stealing money and sitting on his lazy and pathetic arse…
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:54 pm to thelawnwranglers
I think there is reason for him to be in trouble just from his coaching. It's not the record so much as it is how crap the offense is, especially in 2nd halves.
Auburn has not scored a 2nd half TD in 5 straight power 5 games. If you don't consider the one TD against Miss St. in garbage time last year, then you can make that 7 straight power 5 games with zero 2nd half TD's. (I am counting Houston as P5, even though they're not).
Ole Miss - aTm - MSU (1 TD in garbage time) - USCe - Alabama - Houston - Penn St. - Missouri
In many games Harsin's offense comes out swinging and does well in the 1st half. Then teams adjust to his offense in just about every game and he never has an answer for it. Since the roster doesn't magically change from one half to the next, then it is coaching and nothing else.
So, yeah, some might say it's too early to fire him and I would normally agree. But we've seen no improvement at all. In fact, most areas of the team have gotten worse.
Auburn has not scored a 2nd half TD in 5 straight power 5 games. If you don't consider the one TD against Miss St. in garbage time last year, then you can make that 7 straight power 5 games with zero 2nd half TD's. (I am counting Houston as P5, even though they're not).
Ole Miss - aTm - MSU (1 TD in garbage time) - USCe - Alabama - Houston - Penn St. - Missouri
In many games Harsin's offense comes out swinging and does well in the 1st half. Then teams adjust to his offense in just about every game and he never has an answer for it. Since the roster doesn't magically change from one half to the next, then it is coaching and nothing else.
So, yeah, some might say it's too early to fire him and I would normally agree. But we've seen no improvement at all. In fact, most areas of the team have gotten worse.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:23 pm to Mulkey Man
A 3-1 team that could be 4-0 is different than a 3-1 team that should be 0-4...
Posted on 9/29/22 at 4:56 am to AUstar
The note about 2nd half performance also reminded me of our S&C program. Pittman runs things a lot like Yox did under Tuberville and Chizik. Basically an old school approach compared to what alabama is doing and even what ryan russell did under malzahn. Furthermore harsin and Pittman also believe in full practices Friday before games. I think all of this is playing into us not having near the competitive edge we need to late in games.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 5:08 am to Leto II
quote:Thats just low class.
He is. Harsin didn’t appear at his charity golf tournament last year and it didn’t go unnoticed.
I’ve seen some really lousy golfers in tournaments like that, happy to see them show up. I can endure bad golf for a day for a good cause.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 5:45 am to rmnldr
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Been watching Auburn film. One of the worst coached teams I've seen so far.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:15 am to dirtsandwich
Good old boys had nothing to do with the hire.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:20 am to thelawnwranglers
He's said to be neglecting his responsibilities on the recruiting trail.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:29 am to thelawnwranglers
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Saw something about not kidding hs coaches asses
No he isn't not kissing their asses. He hasn't even been to some of the best HS football programs in the state in the 2 years he's been at Auburn and the best crop of talent the state has ever had is in this cycle.
That's unacceptable.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:06 am to thelawnwranglers
At the barn you have two be one of two things to be their head coach for any length of time.
1 - Be good enough to tell the boosters to sit down, shut up and write the checks
2 - Kiss booster arse till you need chapstick.
Harsin is 0-2 there
1 - Be good enough to tell the boosters to sit down, shut up and write the checks
2 - Kiss booster arse till you need chapstick.
Harsin is 0-2 there
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:06 am to BigTastey
That’s what I meant. Rejected by the good ol boys, in part because he was hired by the wrong guy.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:17 am to aujerm
It doesn't matter if he absolutely sucks at recruiting. The fact that he is 3-1 and the way he has been treated by Auburn with last year's scandal is giving Auburn a shite name in coaching circles. You're going to find out that your pool of candidates is much more shallow than you think. You certainly aren't going to be able to lure any established coaches in more stable situations to the Plains. You can forget that. You may be able to get a Sunbelt coach... maybe.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:19 am to Tuscaloosa
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Lack of recruiting, and the media turned on him more quickly than others because he never sucked them off. Reading Philip Marshall cry about how Harsin hasn’t kissed his arse is a thing of beauty. But that comes with a price.
The Golden Pen with the Thin Skin did squeal, didn't he? Harsin has impressed other locals, not in the media, in a similar fashion. But it's the recruiting, or lack of understanding (or desire) to recruit in the manner necessary for the SEC. The Montgomery Advertiser did a telling piece where they interviewed 14 notable high school coaches in Alabama. Seven of the 14 had never spoken to Harsin -- and one of the seven who had was the coach at AHS, where his son plays.
The stuff that happened in February is trash, neither he nor his family deserved that. His record is concerning, but would not get him fired this quickly if recruiting looked more promising. Sometimes, you just have to cut your losses. The Leath/Greene/Harsin experiment has gone on long enough. Two down, one to go.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:26 am to Mulkey Man
quote:Eaux was 3-1 this time last year, but everyone in purple & gold wanted him gone
Isn’t he 3-1? What does Auburn expect to be?
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:51 am to dcbl
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that’s right, the head coach at Auburn University has not even visited Auburn HS - a school that Saban came to his 1st week at Bama
Thats utterly impossible as Harsin has 2 recruits committed from Auburn HS and his son is a QB currently on the team.
The media says the most stupidest things sometimes.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:56 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Hey bro, that pissed me off so much. Phat Phil Marshall sounded like a spoiled child in that article. It was so pathetic! He is the mouthpiece for the GOB's and anything that he writes is suspect. He did some really subtle hit pieces against Harsin, and others did the same thing. That article though, man that fat bastard sure has an air of self-importance around him. I'm glad that you brought that article up
Reading Philip Marshall cry about how Harsin hasn’t kissed his arse is a thing of beauty.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:57 am to thelawnwranglers
He is a terrible fit for the SEC, never played in there South, never coached in the South, terrible recruiting so far and likely to continue bad recruiting.
I will give him props on Clesi though, sheer is HPOA (HOT PIECE OF arse)
I will give him props on Clesi though, sheer is HPOA (HOT PIECE OF arse)
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:01 am to thelawnwranglers
Sounds like the recruiting is bad. I know they have tank and hunter and maybe there’s a good reason for it but the true freshman RB for ole miss, quinshon judkins, was from pike road Alabama (about 45 min from auburn) and didn’t even have an auburn offer. Ran for like 2500 yards his senior year and is 2nd in the sec in rushing yards right now. Not sure how a guy like that doesn’t get an offer.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:08 am to Che Boludo
He wasn't who the powerbrokers wanted.
This is the real answer. Athletic Departments like Auburn and Tennessee have no morals at all and will do anything to get out of their promises. My guess is that Auburn is pissed that Harsin is not cheating his arse off. That would help w/ recruiting and give them a dirty UT reason to fire him for cause later.
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So, he was dead in the water unless he crushed it. He did not crush it in recruiting, on field success or making tangible improvement, or politicking among those who hold the purse strings.
They attempted a coup to fire with cause and get out from under it, and that failed.
Things have not improved.
This is the real answer. Athletic Departments like Auburn and Tennessee have no morals at all and will do anything to get out of their promises. My guess is that Auburn is pissed that Harsin is not cheating his arse off. That would help w/ recruiting and give them a dirty UT reason to fire him for cause later.
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