re: Our University is not woke. Will remove Confederate plaques, study building names

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Did Thomas Jefferson? George Washington? What about the Star Spangled banner?


You see, your argument is a cop out and it's not even on topic. If you think they are being removed due to the civil war, and who lost... your head is in the ground.

I have already laid out way more that is being pushed right now. Battle ground, universities.

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I think you can agree with one and not with the other.

Leaders of a rebellion against the nation (not even mentioning owning humans as a key piece of that rebellion) that lose the rebellion should not be given memorial. It's just not how it works. I would love to see more Historical Society plaques and signs all around campus noting people and events. We need that because it's a historical campus with an interesting history. However, if you fight an uprising and lose.....you don't get flowery memorials.

As for the movements elsewhere that were mentioned, I'd just say I disagree with those arguments for various reasons that, to me, seem to follow pretty basic logic and reason.

Spoken like a true confederate

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Are you just making shite up to win a point?

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No. I'm not making anything up. Here you go:

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-Students at the University of Missouri are calling for the removal of a Thomas Jefferson statue.

- bust of George Washington was reportedly a recent target at George Washington University.





Where does it end?

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We're discussing removing Confederate statues and plaques.

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No, Specifically in the op:

While we are at it, let's remove any mention of anybody founding father because well... they were evil right? THEN WE WILL BE WOKE!

So no, it was not just that.

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You're inventing a narrative I'm not a part of, and it's a very weak debate tactic.

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No, it's part of the topic.

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The historical ignorance is just so sad. The North had five slave states. Children worked in Northern factories. You think they wanted to work?

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I'm not sure what historical ignorance you are trying to lay at my feet but I never stated the reasoning for removal of memorials was slavery or improper treatment of humans. It was a rebellion that was lost.

The American experiment has always been a work in progress - one with lofty aspirations and a whole host of atrocities committed by it's people and government through the years. It's always been messy, but in general it has slowly but surely drug itself forward and found ways to deal with it's mistakes.

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The monument desecration and removal will not and has not stopped at CSA ones. This is pure anti White hatred.

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Well I guess we'll see about that in the future. For now, I'm of the opinion that participants in a lost rebellion against the nation state should not be celebrated in a public fashion via memorial.

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When the FBI transcripts come out in fifteen or so years and show that Dr. King was a man who celebrated rape, I hope people are more kind to him than the anti White crusaders are to old imperfect White men who nonetheless built this nation and formed its governments and institutions

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Well....... alright

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re: Our University is not woke. Will remove Confederate plaques, study building namesPosted on 6/8/20 at 10:37 pm to Jjdoc
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That's not what this is about.

Did Thomas Jefferson? George Washington? What about the Star Spangled banner?


You see, your argument is a cop out and it's not even on topic. If you think they are being removed due to the civil war, and who lost... your head is in the ground.

I have already laid out way more that is being pushed right now. Battle ground, universities.


Are you just making shite up to win a point? We're discussing removing Confederate statues and plaques. We're talking about removing things that honor people who LEFT the country.

All those things you're mentioning are things YOU brought up, not me. I have no interest in removing those things, and just because some random people do doesn't suddenly mean that the removal of Confederate items is null and void.

You're inventing a narrative I'm not a part of, and it's a very weak debate tactic.

On a side note, those statues had a huge spike during the civil rights era. They were not built to "honor" anything.

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They were also built around the Centennial of the Formation of the CSA, so there were other reasons than just to spite the Civil Rights era.

But the chief push of that era, desegregation, also led to the break up of stable Black communities and businesses as the most successful Blacks left to live near Whites. So not everything from that era turned out well for Blacks. Why actually, do Blacks need to live with and go to school around Whites to be successful? THAT seems racist to me.

Many Asian communities are de facto segregated from White ones, and Asians outdo Whites in both academics and in income.

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re: Our University is not woke. Will remove Confederate plaques, study building namesPosted on 6/8/20 at 10:50 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Why are you so contemptuous of the right to secede? What kind of country has to force its states to remain part of it? Is a nation really free if it forbids its regions their right to self determination?

Why would you put the North on a pedestal when its soldiers were genociding the Native Amerian, while its factory owners had children working for them, while it had five states with slaves?


First, they left to keep slaves. There's no moral high ground for the Confederacy.
Second, the "right to secede"? Can you secede your plot of land from the county, or state?

No, the North isn't on a pedestal. The sins committed by northerners do not nullify the sins made by southerners. It is a weak spirit that points to someone else's misdeeds as justification for their own misdeeds.

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That is very simplistic thinking. President Lincoln did not outlaw slavery in any of the five Northern states with slaves till the end of the war. He even told the South at his inauguration that he would support keeping slavery forever legal in the South, if it would not secede. But there were other motivations for secession, like the resentment of Southerners for paying up to 85% of the federal revenue via the tariff.

The states formed the Union, not the other way around. Founding fathers affirmed the right of secession in writings.

It is not simply pointing out someone else's sins. It is asking why this one entity is so demonized, when the other was guilty of even more sins, such as genociding the Native American, during the war! The South had no part in that.

Slavery would have died out on its own. The war was not necessary. Again, Lincoln did not invade the South at Fort Sumter to free one slave, but to protect his tariff collection racket.

Finally, it astonishes me that any UA grad would overlook the war crime committed against our campus when it was burned down. Can you imagine if they had burned down the President's Mansion? Think how long it took UA to rebuild. THAT was why Auburn was granted land grant status. UA was too weak at that point to compete.

Don't worry Im turning in the LSU mascot name for being confederate and racist.. lol

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No. I'm not making anything up. Here you go:

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-Students at the University of Missouri are calling for the removal of a Thomas Jefferson statue.

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3,130 or so signatures, on a website that is internationally accessible. So about 3,000 people out of 4.57 billion that use the internet worldwide. You're right; it's a fricking epidemic.

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bust of George Washington was reportedly a recent target at George Washington University.

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That's Photoshopped dude. Why would a real time picture of vandalism have a stock photo watermark?

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Well it's settled. You are not woke enough yet.

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Well I already knew that doc