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re: Our University is not woke. Will remove Confederate plaques, study building names
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:15 pm to StopRobot
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:15 pm to StopRobot
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re: Our University is not woke. Will remove Confederate plaques, study building namesPosted on 6/10/20 at 6:24 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Southern students deserve to have love and respect for their heritage
Absolutely and as the great great grandson of CSA veterans I have nothing but hatred for that part of our legacy and wish we could move past it. You want to love it, you can. Doesnt mean you have a right to a monument
And YOU have no right to a monument to the USA founders. You know, the same men whose first bill after signing the Constitution was to restrict immigration so that only "White men of good character" could become citizens. And you have no right to a monument for Lincoln, you know, the same guy who in the Lincoln Douglas debates, said Blacks and Whites could not live together, that Blacks were an inferior race. Today's historians and media tend to leaven that part out as they deify ole war criminal Abe.
They are already dedicated to removing even non CSA monuments as long as the monument is associated with something they deem racist.
One day maybe folks will demand to tear down Dr. King's monuments, despite all the good he did, simply because he celebrated the rape of a woman, and for being a homophobe.
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:23 pm to Murph4HOF
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re: Our University is not woke. Will remove Confederate plaques, study building namesPosted on 6/10/20 at 5:24 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Are you saying the South was not paying a tariff before the war started?
Of course not.
The southern states loved the Tariff of 1857. Go look up what states' Senators voted for it.
If you want a good picture of the author of the Tariff of 1857, he's in the bottom right corner of this picture:
Can you link me to data showing that the southern states paid 85% of tariffs collected by the federal government prior to the Civil War?
Customs duties as set by tariff rates up to 1860 were usually about 80–95% of all federal revenue. LINK . Reference 21. Facts are stubborn and Southern things smartass.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:43 am to Jjdoc
Different people feel differently - for some the shame is just about the CSA, for some it’s the antebellum south, for some it extends to all slave owners. I disagree with the final one and it can be debated all you want - but the subject in the OP is the CSA.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:48 am to InGAButLoveBama
This is the slippery slope fallacy - declining to say/do something that you agree with because it might prompt others to go further.
Most things could be a “slippery slope”. Stick to your beliefs and speak up when you think people are taking it too far.
Most things could be a “slippery slope”. Stick to your beliefs and speak up when you think people are taking it too far.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:46 am to InGAButLoveBama
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Looks like I was correct.
I asked for you to show me where the South was paying more than the north. Your link does not show that, AT ALL.
quote:You linked me to a Wikipedia article. Is that your trusted source? Is that the source that "took you a while to find"? Do I need to explain primary and secondary sources to you?
I will look for that source. It came from a trusted source. Might take a while to get that data though
I even gave you a primary source that shows customs duties collected by port under the tariff that was in place when then the first 7 states left the union.
Since you are too lazy to find it, here is the data:
When classifying the data, I even included Baltimore on the Southern side as it was in a slave holding state, so I didn't just limit it to states that left the union. Even when doing that, only 8% of the tariffs collected were in "southern" ports
NYC alone collected almost 16 times as much revenue as the largest southern port (New Orleans).
And that report was given to Congress by this guy. I gave you a Wikipedia link since you believe that is a trusted source and it takes you a while to find it on there.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 9:50 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:14 am to Murph4HOF
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re: Our University is not woke. Will remove Confederate plaques, study building namesPosted on 6/11/20 at 9:46 am to InGAButLoveBama
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Looks like I was correct.
I asked for you to show me where the South was paying more than the north. Your link does not show that, AT ALL.
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I will look for that source. It came from a trusted source. Might take a while to get that data though
You linked me to a Wikipedia article. Is that your trusted source? Is that the source that "took you a while to find"? Do I need to explain primary and secondary sources to you?
I even gave you a primary source that shows customs duties collected by port under the tariff that was in place when then the first 7 states left the union.
Since you are too lazy to find it, here is the data:
When classifying the data, I even included Baltimore on the Southern side as it was in a slave holding state, so I didn't just limit it to states that left the union. Even when doing that, only 8% of the tariffs collected were in "southern" ports
NYC alone collected almost 16 times as much revenue as the largest southern port (New Orleans).
And that report was given to Congress by this guy. I gave you a Wikipedia link since you believe that is a trusted source and it takes you a while to find it on there.
First, I gave you the reference number within the Wikipedia page in one of my responses, so I did not just link to Wikipedia. Second, collection of tariff revenue is not the same as what the consumer had to pay given the tariff. You think businesses pay the tax? Technically they do, but we all know they pass on that tax to the consumer, and far more Southerners bought imported goods.
I wish I had more time to look into this so I can see if I am wrong, but I have to work today, but I will get to it. I care very much about the truth, so if I am wrong, I will admit it.
Regardless, the CSA was no more evil than the USA. I have provided numerous examples of the evil done by the USA, and for some reason, people like you believe in selective outrage and demonization. I will not allow my heritage to be destroyed thanks to cowardly double standards.
When people like yourself also call for the removal of all Vietnam and Iraq war memorials, then I will find you consistent and fair. Till then, you are just another virtue signalling hypocrite.
LINK Black leaders on mainstr3eam media now calling for removal of Jefferson and Washington monuments. You utter fools!
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 10:53 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:48 am to InGAButLoveBama
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First, I gave you the reference number within the Wikipedia page in one of my responses
Yes, Ref. 21, which in the article you linked talks about the Tariff of 1789 which was not in place when Sumter was fired upon by Confederate forces.
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collection of tariff revenue is not the same as what the consumer had to pay given the tariff. You think businesses pay the tax? Technically they do, but we all know they pass on that tax to the consumer, and far more Southerners bought imported goods.
Interesting. Do you have data to back this up? Going back to your claim that southern states paid 85% of tariff revenue (and you have not shown me data to prove that) it is pretty outrageous to make this claim, considering the vast majority of goods were imported into Northern ports in 1858/59 and free states had nearly 70% of the free population (the consumers, since you and I both know Toby wasn't exactly spending disposable income when got done picking cotton on the plantation that day).
That makes zero economic sense. And to act like only the south bought imported goods is just silly.
Also, I find it strange that the tariffs you say were the real cause for succession were authored by a guy who was later featured on the Confederate $10 bill. That doesn't make sense, and the data I have provided shows the tariffs are nothing more than a red herring at best, and a fabricated, disingenuous narrative at worse.
You've proven yourself to be nothing more than someone who perpetuates the Lost Cause. I'm not going to say you do it for racist reasons, because I do not know your motive. I'm done with this thread.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:02 am to InGAButLoveBama
I read it. Copy and paste the text that says the south paid 85% of tariffs. Post it in this thread.
You can't do that, because it isn't there.
When you throw out ad hominem attacks like cuck, it tells me you have no legitimate claim to back up your argument.
And your link is not related to the tariff claim.
You can't do that, because it isn't there.
When you throw out ad hominem attacks like cuck, it tells me you have no legitimate claim to back up your argument.
And your link is not related to the tariff claim.
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