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re: Ole Miss Sanctions - Based on What We Know
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:12 am to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:12 am to Vols&Shaft83
NCAA: "Mr Miller, I understand you say an Ole Miss Asst. AD paid your utility bills, but we asked him, and he said he never gave y'all money......and there just anything to back your story"
Miller: "I'm telling you it, and everything else I told you happened"
Fast forward to the day after the draft..............
NCAA: "We are sorry Mr. Miller, but I we have some new information that tells us you were telling the truth, and that maybe OM wasn't being honest with us"
Miller: "No problem, what else you want to know about"
NCAA: "Oh, don't worry.....we still have everything you told us and gave us, and will be reinvestigating it much harder for the next letter we are about to hit them up with."
Miller: "Glad I could help"
Miller: "I'm telling you it, and everything else I told you happened"
Fast forward to the day after the draft..............
NCAA: "We are sorry Mr. Miller, but I we have some new information that tells us you were telling the truth, and that maybe OM wasn't being honest with us"
Miller: "No problem, what else you want to know about"
NCAA: "Oh, don't worry.....we still have everything you told us and gave us, and will be reinvestigating it much harder for the next letter we are about to hit them up with."
Miller: "Glad I could help"
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:20 am to bamaqna
ThanksPosted on 6/30/16 at 9:47 am to Remote Controlled
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Ole Miss Sanctions - Based on What We Know
Prediction:
16 scholarship reduction in FB over 3 years (6 in year one, 5 each of next 2 years)
5 years probation
2 year bowl ban
3 year show cause for certain to be named members of OM staff (football ops, Ath Dept, coaching)
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:54 am to Remote Controlled
I think they will accept the sanctions OM self imposed and we will all move on. The NCAA has been there for 3 years. Are you telling me that they haven't already discussed an appropriate punishment?
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 9:55 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:57 am to bamasgot13
You can't seriously think that can you? Penn State let kids get raped and didn't get it that bad.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:00 am to WithaRebelYell
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I think they will accept the sanctions OM self imposed and we will all move on.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:07 am to bamasgot13
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Prediction: 16 scholarship reduction in FB over 3 years (6 in year one, 5 each of next 2 years) 5 years probation 2 year bowl ban 3 year show cause for certain to be named members of OM staff (football ops, Ath Dept, coaching)
That's not a prediction, that's a pipe dream.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:10 am to bamasgot13
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Prediction:
16 scholarship reduction in FB over 3 years (6 in year one, 5 each of next 2 years)
5 years probation
2 year bowl ban
3 year show cause for certain to be named members of OM staff (football ops, Ath Dept, coaching)
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:13 am to bamasgot13
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2 year bowl ban
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Ole Miss opens its football season with games against Florida State, Wofford and Alabama. If the Rebels lose two of those three, I think it’s reasonable to consider that they’d self-impose a postseason ban in the same manner than Syracuse and Louisville’s basketball programs have done in recent years. That would serve as both a preemptive strike toward a more significant NCAA penalty and potentially help the program move forward.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:13 am to DingDongEddieStrong
At every turn since before Tunsil got suspended, you guys have made predictions.......and been wrong. Yet you want to call someone else out over their prediction. Just give it time, all will be revealed.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:13 am to WithaRebelYell
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You can't seriously think that can you?
Why not? Your own school proposed 11 scholarship reductions. I doubt very seriously that the NCAA says, "yep, that's enough". They almost always add to what the school recommends when major violations are involved (see Bama in 2001, USC in 2009, etc).
You are going to get multi year probation. That's a given.
You might get a post season ban. That's been a staple of NCAA punishment in recent years. Might not be the two years I predicted, but I would be more surprised if you DIDN'T get post season ban than if you DID.
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Penn State let kids get raped and didn't get it that bad.
You aren't remembering correctly. PSU got a 4 year post season ban, 20 scholarship reduction, a $60M fine, and had to vacate wins all the way back to 1998.
(post season ban was later shortened to 2 years and some scholarships given back, but the probation, the fine, and the vacating of wins never reduced).
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:16 am to Vols&Shaft83
Guess the Ole Miss folks made another "mistake" when they forgot to tell the NCAA about paying utility bills and rent. I'm sure they meant to, just probably so much going on, they forget to mention it.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:17 am to msudawg1200
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This post was edited on 7/4/16 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:20 am to DingDongEddieStrong
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That's not a prediction, that's a pipe dream.
I don't care if they accept what your own school proposes as a punishment or if they hammer you worse. It won't have an impact on my life either way, so it's not a "pipe dream".
It's a prediction using available data and historical precedent. I simply stated that I felt the NCAA would add 5 scholarships to what your school recommends, add a post season ban (see USC, PSU as recent examples), and would have a longer probation period than what your school recommends.
Your own school has admitted to most of this stuff, so you know punishment is coming. I'm just predicting it will be worse than you think...and that's taking into account the whole "new information has come to light that we are investigating" from the draft night stuff. I'm stepping out on limb and saying that will result in more finding of wrong doing and that's why penalties will be harsher than your school has recommended.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:27 am to HailFreezusOver
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The NCAA Stated we have provided exemplary cooperation...
No, the NCAA has not said that. The words "exemplary" and "cooperation" do not appear in the NOA at all as a mitigating factor. However, several of the allegations point out the failure to cooperate as an aggravating factor.
UMiss's response to the NOA uses the term "exemplary cooperation" over a dozen times. That's not quite the same thing as the NCAA saying it, though.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:30 am to Dday63
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UMiss's response to the NOA uses the term "exemplary cooperation" over a dozen times
"these are not the droids you seek"
I wonder if OM is going to get some type of LOIC or Failure to Monitor. Admittedly, I can't recall if that has to be claimed in the NOA or not.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:42 am to bamasgot13
Contrary to popular belief, our lawyers weren't just sitting around writing our response and thinking to themselves, "you know what, we deserve way worse, but let's just throw some half-arse penalties at them and cross our fingers they'll accept"
The proposed penalties were based on precedents and guidance from the NCAA. I imagine there will be some more added on, but not excessively more. Just my guess
The proposed penalties were based on precedents and guidance from the NCAA. I imagine there will be some more added on, but not excessively more. Just my guess
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:46 am to fillmoregandt
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The proposed penalties were based on precedents and guidance from the NCAA. I imagine there will be some more added on, but not excessively more. Just my guess
Based on the allegations we are aware of, this is false
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:53 am to fillmoregandt
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I imagine there will be some more added on, but not excessively more. Just my guess
agree more will be added on. What do you deem "excessively more"? I would say adding 5 scholarships over 3 years and a 2 year post season ban would not be "excessively more". Heck, PSU got a 4 year bowl ban, 20 scholarships, and $60M in fines that all really had more to do with legal issues rather than NCAA rules violations (though I felt PSU deserved every bit of it for what they allowed to happen to innocent children).
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:57 am to Remote Controlled
8.
Cited with "Lack of Institutional Control" and "Failure to Monitor".
15 Scholarships, 5 years probation, 1 year bowl ban and coaches anointed with "show cause".
Cited with "Lack of Institutional Control" and "Failure to Monitor".
15 Scholarships, 5 years probation, 1 year bowl ban and coaches anointed with "show cause".
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