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re: Ok Bama and Texas fans, let's hear it...
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It'd be much more frustrating to me to see Florida State, with basically 2 ranked games all year, or even Michigan, with a home game vs Ohio State and absolutely nothing else, there than Texas
Ditto.
It's like we go through this every year and then at the end of the season, someone wipes the media's memory about 2022 TCU, or 2021 Cincinnati, or 2020 Clemson, or 2019 Oklahoma, or 2018 Notre Dame...
...and we just ignore the resumes and make the exact same mistakes all over again.
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:27 pm to Darindawg
Conf champs
Strength of Schedule
Head to head
I’m that order. Bama is a much different team than early Sept.
I think Bama jumps them based on SoS. But, Bama is not beating Ga.
Strength of Schedule
Head to head
I’m that order. Bama is a much different team than early Sept.
I think Bama jumps them based on SoS. But, Bama is not beating Ga.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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did you read any of what you linked?
Of course. I read all of it.
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I dont' recall seeing anywhere on there who vegas might favor in a hypoehtical matchup between the schools, or who looks better in a subjective "eye test" comparison.
I never said anything close to this, but okay.
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What they DO mention is championships, schedule strength, head to head games on the field...ya know, thigns that make up your resume.
I know. I already said that they consider those things when distinguishing between teams they find to be "otherwise comparable."
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We can play the semantics game by saying that whoever has the resume is by default the best team, but what everyone on message boards means when they say by "best team" is "who looks the best RIGHT NOW". people keep saying bama is a "better team" because they look better than texas, but that's irrelevant.
You don't know what everyone means by the term "best team." I was just trying to help you because you asked why people keep talking about "4 best teams" and you saying it's never been about "4 best teams" by making sure you knew that is literally the CFP's terminology and in the subtitle of their CFP Protocols.
In reality the CFP Committee is mixing it all together resume, eye test, how teams are playing now, etc and usually gets it right.
I would prefer we just use the old BCS formula as it takes hundreds of human data points (AP and Coach's votes) and millions of computer data points (BCS computers) which by definition should reduce intentional or unintentional bias/error and produce the most accurate result. I think the committee largely does this to some degree anyway, I just think stripping it down to 12 or 13 votes is unnecessary and creates more likelihood for inconsistency, bias, or error.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:29 pm to WG_Dawg
that's exactly what the eye test is lol
and after week 1, the eye test would've said Texas was only up 16-3 at the half on Rice, while Milroe scored 5 TDs in their 56-7 route of Middle Tennessee, and obviously Texas has no chance in Tuscaloosa.
and after week 1, the eye test would've said Texas was only up 16-3 at the half on Rice, while Milroe scored 5 TDs in their 56-7 route of Middle Tennessee, and obviously Texas has no chance in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:29 pm to elposter
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I would prefer we just use the old BCS formula as it takes hundreds of human data points (AP and Coach's votes) and millions of computer data points (BCS computers) which by definition should reduce intentional or unintentional bias/error and produce the most accurate result. I think the committee largely does this to some degree anyway, I just think stripping it down to 12 or 13 votes is unnecessary and creates more likelihood for inconsistency, bias, or error.
Agree - but the unwashed hated those damned nerdz and their computers back then so we put it back in the hands of the people
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:31 pm to Darindawg
Georgia would be SOL.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama
#7 SP+
#10 FEI
#6 KF Power
Texas
#8 SP+
#11 FEI
#10 KF Power
Ok, so we have some objective data that shows Alabama is a better team.
Now what about the eye test?
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:37 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Now what about the eye test?
Burnt orange is an objectively bad color. Eye test clearly favors Bama.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama
#7 SP+
#10 FEI
#6 KF Power
Texas
#8 SP+
#11 FEI
#10 KF Power
So Bama is marginally better - head to head trumps, as it should
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:41 pm to Che Boludo
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All of this, and I'd add a one-loss Pac-12 champ. But, either Udub or Oregon are more deserving than an FSU without their #1 QB and was losing 13-0 to UNA well into the 2nd qtr or a UM team that has proven nothing.
A 1-loss conference champ UTx with a head-to-head win over Bama is more deserving
This word should never factor into it.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:43 pm to dcbl
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So Bama is marginally better - head to head trumps, as it should
What happens if an Alabama win over Georgia (which all of this argument has to be predicated on anyway) creates more delta in those SP+, FEI, KF Power, etc numbers between Bama and Texas? What is the difference needed for head to head to no longer trump? That would be the question.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:08 pm to elposter
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What happens if an Alabama win creates more delta in those SP+, FEI, KF Power, etc numbers? What is the difference needed for head to head to no longer trump?
Yeah exactly, I would think that delta metric would have to be egregious, but I'll be the first to admit I have no idea how they're actually weighted.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:23 pm to paperwasp
1. Head to head matters.
2. Still a lot of football left.
2. Still a lot of football left.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:46 pm to bigbopper
Texas has head to head and are not the better team (now). Tx deserves the slot.
Still, being in weekly dogfights with the likes of isu and uh speaks volumes. I’m not sure this team is even on par with last year’s cincy team.
Still, being in weekly dogfights with the likes of isu and uh speaks volumes. I’m not sure this team is even on par with last year’s cincy team.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:55 pm to Darindawg
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Bama - If Bama beats UGA, especially convincingly, it will be the mother-of-all quality wins this season, proving that the Tide MUST be considered one of the best 4 teams in the country despite that loss to the Longhorns that might as well have happened back in the Jurassic period as far as Tide fans are concerned.
I'm of the opinion that if Bama beats Uga and Texas wins out, I do not see Alabama jumping Texas.
Having said that, I think the more interesting hypothetical is what happens to Georgia if Bama wins, say on a last second FG and FSU, Washington and Ohio ST all win out.
Would Georgia fall to No. 6 or 7? Such a weird year
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama
#7 SP+
#10 FEI
#6 KF Power
Texas
#8 SP+
#11 FEI
#10 KF Power
There ya go.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:56 pm to Darindawg
I’m a realist. Texas beat Bama in Tuscaloosa in a convincing manner. But Texas lost to OU.
We gave Bama an opportunity to show substantial improvement, and if they beat Georgia, make an argument late in the season that they are a much better team.
If Bama jumps Texas I won’t bitch and moan about it.
But conversely, I demand Bama not bitch and moan if the committee puts Texas in based on the head to head loss to Texas.
If we are both left out, let’s just play each other again in the Cotton Bowl.
That would be damn interesting.
We gave Bama an opportunity to show substantial improvement, and if they beat Georgia, make an argument late in the season that they are a much better team.
If Bama jumps Texas I won’t bitch and moan about it.
But conversely, I demand Bama not bitch and moan if the committee puts Texas in based on the head to head loss to Texas.
If we are both left out, let’s just play each other again in the Cotton Bowl.
That would be damn interesting.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:57 pm to WG_Dawg
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why do people keep saying this? It's never been about 4 best teams. Ever.
That's EXACTLY why they were brought about.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:06 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
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there's no argument. if we're both 12-1 conference champs, head to head wins. anyone who disagrees is being intentionally obtuse.
I hate both of these teams, but UT less, so you're right. frick Bama.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:09 pm to bamabonners
Alabama is a "different team" because the teams they've played since Texas have average-to-bad defenses, outside of TAMU.
Team: scoring defense rank
Middle Tennessee: 92
Texas: 16
South Florida: 129
Ole Miss: 47
Mississippi State: 82
Texas A&M: 25
Arkansas: 65
Tennessee: 39
LSU: 83
Kentucky: 52
Auburn: 38
Georgia: 5
Team: scoring defense rank
Middle Tennessee: 92
Texas: 16
South Florida: 129
Ole Miss: 47
Mississippi State: 82
Texas A&M: 25
Arkansas: 65
Tennessee: 39
LSU: 83
Kentucky: 52
Auburn: 38
Georgia: 5
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