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re: **Official Midnight Madness Thread**
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:05 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:05 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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So again I ask where was the overrated part? Who was a rival of Kentucky's in the SEC last year who was on par with either kansas OR Mizzou in the regular season as a rival to test yourself on? Vandy and Florida? Child please.
Um, Florida gave us a better game then Kansas both times last season. They were defeated by Louisville, who was a better team then you or Kansas last season.
And speaking of Kansas, why are you bragging about almost beating them like any UK fan is going to give a shite? We did that last season twice as well. When it mattered.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 10:06 pm
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:05 pm to DayBowBow
Obviously I mean in the SEC with a team you actually care about beating. Kentucky is everybody's biggest game but as far as I can tell there's no traditional In-conference rival which I have always thought sucked for you guys
Vandy and UF seem forced. Tennessee seemed pretty intense last year at both arena's
Vandy and UF seem forced. Tennessee seemed pretty intense last year at both arena's
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Um, Florida gave us a better game then Kansas both times last season. They were defeated by Louisville, who was a better team then you or Kansas last season.
Uh huh. So why were Louisville and Florida both lower seeds in the Dance than ku or Mizzou? The Selection Committee are all idiots who don't know how wondrous basketball in the SEC and the state of Kentucky is right?
C'mon Belle let it go. If you track this thread I was never starting shite just trying to defend Mizzou from inane flames. You know your hoops and you know how good Mizzou and ku were last year. And you know we will be competing with you this year. I will leave it at that.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:11 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
You're fighting an uphill battle.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:13 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Well it's either you were overrated and got bounced early.
Or
You are perennial choke artists.
This is how I feel about Mizzou
Yet again the Mizzou fans talk SEC smack and when those east teams play you will get the same result you are getting in football.
I am saying this in the nicest way possible but schools like Vandy can and will beat you in basketball. Alabama basketball looks easy but see how many times they steal a game from you. If Arkansas and LSU will get their sheet together they have a proud and strong history. SEC is odd in that if UK is up they always say the conference is down. You will learn actually playing that inside the conference this is not true.
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:13 pm to Marty McFrat
So all the Kentucky fans on here are saying that to a man they would take the 2004 Mike Anderson UAB team over their own 1 seeded, SEC champion 2004 Kentucky team each and every single time. That is the argument I'm hearing, UK? Afterall UAB did it "when it counts" to you that year.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:16 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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Uh huh. So why were Louisville and Florida both lower seeds in the Dance than ku or Mizzou? The Selection Committee are all idiots who don't know how wondrous basketball in the SEC and the state of Kentucky is right?
Yet one was a Final Four team and the other was an Elite Eight team (because only one of the two could advance). But to entertain your rambling, both dealt with injuries throughout the season. Especially Louisville. That tends to rack you up some losses during the season.
It also helps when you play somebody. Both Louisville and Florida finished the season with a significantly higher strength of schedule then Mizzou.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:17 pm to Cheese Grits
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I am saying this in the nicest way possible but schools like Vandy can and will beat you in basketball.
I know how good Vandy was. We played them in 2010 and 2011 and split with each other on our home courts. They will be down this year and that's a shame.
I have never trashed the SEC or said its a bad league. But to say the SEC was superior to the Big 12 in hoops last year from top to bottom is nuts. Big 12 had 6 NCAA tourney teams and mine (alas) was the only one that *didn't* advance. The SEC was not as deep last year. I know what Bama is capable of and I hope they get over the hump and actually produce this year. I know Tennessee is emerging. I know Georgia has a McD's All-American and some recuits who could make things interesting. I sure as hell know what to expect from Mike Anderson at Arkansas seeing as he was our coach. I have respect for the league. It's your *disrespect* and tunnel vision toward Mizzou and the Big 12 that I take issue with. If I give respect and get narrow minded bullshite back, I'm gonna call you on it.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
BluegrassBelle, I'm really impressed with your basketball knowledge, keep up the good work sonning the Mizzou fan.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:19 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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So all the Kentucky fans on here are saying that to a man they would take the 2004 Mike Anderson UAB team over their own 1 seeded, SEC champion 2004 Kentucky team each and every single time. That is the argument I'm hearing, UK? Afterall UAB did it "when it counts" to you that year.
You're damn right they did. Team Turmoil for the win.
And no, I'd still take Kentucky most of the time. But what we are saying is that the selection committee doesn't get it right every time either. And the general consensus is that Mizzou was overrated because they threw together a record against a 60-70 ranked SOS. And that there were better teams in the tournament and in the SEC who didn't have the luxury of that SOS therefore they had more losses. And a lower seeding.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Yet one was a Final Four team and the other was an Elite Eight team (because only one of the two could advance). But to entertain your rambling, both dealt with injuries throughout the season. Especially Louisville. That tends to rack you up some losses during the season.
But injuries like to say our best big man Laurence Bowers being out for the year and reducing us to having to battle with 7 scholarship players don't count? Us playing in a league with 6 NCAA tournament teams doesn't count as "playing somebody" but you playing in a league with 3 NCAA tourney teams does? OK.
Our SOS get dinged because our scrubs early on had worse records than most peoples scrubs. We scheduled Binghamton when we should have scheduled Holy Cross or some such shite. Oh the horror! Who knew. When you actually put Mizzou's matchups with other teams that were either highly ranked or advanced far in the Big Dance, however you wanna put it, up against other teams last year it stacks up fine with absolutely anybody.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:20 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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So all the Kentucky fans on here are saying that to a man they would take the 2004 Mike Anderson UAB team over their own 1 seeded, SEC champion 2004 Kentucky team each and every single time.
I'd take a coach that could never win the SEC every year as long as he could coach when it mattered, the NCAA tournament honestly. Unless if you get a coach that can win the SEC then go deep in the tournament that is obviously the best choice.
Id rather a coach that finishes in the middle of the pack of the SEC then makes a run in the tournament than a coach that has a great regular season and shits the bed every year in the NCAA.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:21 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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The Selection Committee are all idiots who don't know how wondrous basketball in the SEC and the state of Kentucky is right?
If you think ESPN pimps the LHN wait till you see ESPN pimp ACC over SEC games for men and women. They gave Duke that last NC with a totally lame path to Indy. Back when Padgett was playing I think they had Uk and KU as a second round game. If you do not think the paths get greased in the NCAA you will learn..
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:22 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You're damn right they did. Team Turmoil for the win
I'm not letting this go that easy cuz its you guys' whole case in large part against Mizzou. Your stance is that 2004 UAB
a) Was a better team than 2004 Kentucky
b) accomplished more than 2004 Kentucky
c) in hindsight deserved to be seeded higher than Kentucky obviously, since they won
d) 2004 Kentucky in hindsight should not have been anything close to a 1 seed, due to the fact they lost to UAB.
That's the argument right? Or does that stuff only apply to Mizzou to make you guys feel better about yourselves?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:23 pm to Cheese Grits
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If you think ESPN pimps the LHN wait till
ESPN is on the Selection Committee? That's a new one.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:24 pm to Cheese Grits
Why do they keep pimping NC State tonight? We are 1/2 hour from the end and they show the Wolfpack like every 15 min. Still no love for SEC basketball on a 3 hour show!
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:25 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
You won't go up against BlugrassBelle an win. Trust me I know from experience. 
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:27 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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But injuries like to say our best big man Laurence Bowers being out for the year and reducing us to having to battle with 7 scholarship players don't count? Us playing in a league with 6 NCAA tournament teams doesn't count as "playing somebody" but you playing in a league with 3 NCAA tourney teams does? OK.
The SEC has been routinely shafted in the past couple post-seasons when it comes to teams getting in the NCAA Tournament because of conferences like the Big East getting way too many in for their own good. It has also hurt the SEC that our tourney championship is played on Selection Sunday. More then once I've heard a committee member say that it didn't carry as much weight (unless a non-tourney bound team won) because of that.
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Our SOS get dinged because our scrubs early on had worse records than most peoples scrubs. We scheduled Binghamton when we should have scheduled Holy Cross or some such shite. Oh the horror! Who knew. When you actually put Mizzou's matchups with other teams that were either highly ranked or advanced far in the Big Dance, however you wanna put it, up against other teams last year it stacks up fine with absolutely anybody.
No it doesn't. Your OOC was atrocious. Like laughingly bad. And Baylor was one of the weakest defensive teams we faced in the tournament (more then a few SEC teams played us better then that as well).
Florida went on the road and played Syracuse on the road. Also played Ohio State if I recall correctly. And played both of them very tough. Louisville played that Big East gambit.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:29 pm to Marty McFrat
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Id rather a coach that finishes in the middle of the pack of the SEC then makes a run in the tournament than a coach that has a great regular season and shits the bed every year in the NCAA.
That's at least an honest and resonable take kinda. If that's really what you want so be it. We pretty much HAD a coach like that in Quin Snyder and our fans were outright miserable. Every year he would dick around and barely make the Big Dance, but we'd always play our best basketball when we made it there. I can tell you firsthand suddenly you realize that conference championships and regular season accomplishments do matter, when you have your arch rival waving them in our face as ours did at Quin.
As for the *always* choking early in Big Dance part, you are right that would be a problem. Haith has only been our coach for one year so we don't know on that. The Mike Anderson regime prior to that saw us go 4-3 in the Big Dance so though not great it wasn't epically underachieving either. If Haith were to gain a high seed again this year and flop again it would raise more eyebrows and if it becomes a pattern then sure I will concede that's something you'd look at. But I do think the random nature of the Big Dance means you can never look JUST at an individual postseason to judge a team. ku and Bill Self have been beaten by Northern Iowa in the Dance, Kentucky to UAB, Duke to Lehigh, it goes on, its part of what happens each year. I just don't like taking constant shite for something that happens every year to power programs too.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:33 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
ESPN is heavily invested in ACC basketball and has been since the very beginning of ESPN. How many times does Duke or UNC get a basic home game to start the tourney? How many ACC schools get ESPN airplay over the season? Hell look at this broadcast tonight as it has been a glorified ACC commercial. Billy Packer and Dicky V were like QVC shils for ages for the ACC.
How many NC banners did the ACC have before ESPN?
How many NC banners does the ACC have since ESPN?
How many NC banners did the ACC have before ESPN?
How many NC banners does the ACC have since ESPN?
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