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Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:04 pm to pdxlsufan
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:04 pm to pdxlsufan
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So why are John Bond and Bill Bell more or less in agreement with what Rogers has had to say? What's their incentive to get down in the dirt with such a dirty man?
See, I don't think they are.
Bond is going to the FBI with phone records to prove that he talked to Rogers. Rogers says he never talked to Bond.
Meanwhile, Bill Bell hasn't yet said whether or not he ever talked directly to Cecil.
It's also possible that Bond and Bell both believed Rogers when he said he was representing the Newtons, even though they may have never really talked to Cecil. (Why not? He's a former teammate. They don't know he's under NFL investigation, they haven't talked to him in 30 years.)
Seems to me like Rogers changed his story Thursday so that it would coincide with theirs. Explaining the message he left Bell at a Shell gas station, saying he was representing the Newtons. But he could have just been lying then and now.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:06 pm to AubOrange
If you want to simplify, I can do you one better.
There are basically two things that could have gone on here:
A.) What happened.
B.) What we hope happened.
These two things may or may not be the same, depending on who you are and who you pull for.
There are basically two things that could have gone on here:
A.) What happened.
B.) What we hope happened.
These two things may or may not be the same, depending on who you are and who you pull for.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:09 pm to AubOrange
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Meanwhile, Bill Bell hasn't yet said whether or not he ever talked directly to Cecil.
Have you been under a rock the last two days?
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A new name entered the fold Thursday when Kenny Rogers shed more light in a radio interview concerning the weekend of the Egg Bowl last year in Starkville. That new name is Bill Bell, yet another former letterman at MSU in the 1980s, and he says Newton’s father, Cecil Newton, asked for money in exchange for Newton’s commitment to MSU, according to ESPN.com.
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The story, according to Rogers, Bell and Bond goes like this:
1) Cecil met with two MSU coaches with Rogers present at the Hilton Garden Inn the night before the Egg Bowl. At this meeting, Cecil asked the MSU coaches for money for his son to play ball at MSU.
2) The Sunday after the Egg Bowl, Cecil asked Rogers if he thought the deal would happen. Rogers called Bill Bell and left him a voice mail asking him to follow up.
3) Bell confirms that he received a call and says he was in contact with Cecil.
4) Bell let John Bond know about his conversation.
5) Bond informed the MSU Athletics Dept.
All 3 men have more or less corroborated their part of this storyline. Either all 3 are lying or their all conspiring to paint the same lie.
And now the NCAA and the FBI are reviewing this storyline. They'll be talking to those 2 MSU coaches to get their side of the story. They'll ask Bill Bell to turn over whatever evidence he does or doesn't have. Phone records. If Cecil's phone can be tied to Bill Bell's phone, Cecil has some major league explaining to do. This has only just begun.
This post was edited on 11/12/10 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:11 pm to cyde
1. cecil wanted money and auburn paid
2. msu offered cecil money which scared cam away from state, and he chose to go to auburn. enraged, dan mullen, urban meyer, bond, bell, rogers, the sinister red elephant club, the new york times, espn, fox sports, yahoo, and the fbi engage in a smear campaign.
2. msu offered cecil money which scared cam away from state, and he chose to go to auburn. enraged, dan mullen, urban meyer, bond, bell, rogers, the sinister red elephant club, the new york times, espn, fox sports, yahoo, and the fbi engage in a smear campaign.
This post was edited on 11/12/10 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:16 pm to roody
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enraged, dan mullen, urban meyer, bond, bell, rogers, the sinister red elephant club, the new york times, espn, fox sports, yahoo, and the fbi engage in a smear campaign.
Yeah. Everybody knows how the REC-controlled... well... the entire rest of the country, which the REC controls... hates victimized kids who try to do the right thing.
Especially when they're poor and in dire straits, but not so dire as to prevent them from indignantly turning down a horrific offer of a six-figure payment.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:16 pm to pdxlsufan
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Have you been under a rock the last two days?
Like I said, he could have just believed Rogers. It doesn't specify whether or not he ever talked directly to Cecil. Besides, they don't care to believe him or not, they're looking out for the best interests of Mississippi State, as they should.
I think it's very vague on Forde's part, especially considering it's such an important detail. Shouldn't something like that be in a direct quote if it really was a definitive answer that he heard Cecil talk about money? Why doesn't he specify when and where?
As you can tell, I don't really trust Forde when it comes to this cash cow of a story, and let's be honest, none of us should. This whole thing proved journalism is dead.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:22 pm to AubOrange
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Like I said, he could have just believed Rogers. It doesn't specify whether or not he ever talked directly to Cecil. Besides, they don't care to believe him or not, they're looking out for the best interests of Mississippi State, as they should.
So you think two successful businessmen like Bell and Bond would risk their personal reputations and careers (not to mention all the death threats they're getting from AU fans right now) would lie to the media, the NCAA and the FBI just to support Mississippi State and help a dirty guy like Kenny Rogers? Just because their old teammates?
Interesting theory...
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:27 pm to AubOrange
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If Cecil's phone can be tied to Bill Bell's phone, Cecil has some major league explaining to do.
Correct. Like I said, I don't know if Bell is necessarily claiming yet that he did talk directly to Cecil, or that he is getting phone records to prove that.
If he did, it feels like the whens and the wheres and the specifics would have been in that ESPN.com article.
You have to admit, this was thrown in the middle of an existing article in a very "by-the-way" fashion by Forde. If there was a direct, strongly stated quote from Bell, or if Bell specified when and where, then that would have been included.
I'm not saying Bell and Bond are lying at all. I'm sure they're the most reputable of people, and they're absolutely doing the right thing, no matter what.
Rogers is the one that could be lying. To us and to Bell and Bond.
This post was edited on 11/12/10 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:32 pm to pdxlsufan
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So you think two successful businessmen like Bell and Bond would risk their personal reputations and careers (not to mention all the death threats they're getting from AU fans right now) would lie to the media, the NCAA and the FBI just to support Mississippi State and help a dirty guy like Kenny Rogers? Just because their old teammates?
No, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.
They're not going to sit and think about whether or not Rogers is actually representing the Newtons. They don't care about the Newtons. They're not trying to help Rogers either. They're just going to report what happened and what they were told and cooperate with who they need to cooperate with. As they should.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:37 pm to AubOrange
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Seems to me like Rogers changed his story Thursday so that it would coincide with theirs.
Or he heard about Bond speaking with the FBI and said "oh shite". Hired himself a lawyer and came clean. He probably had every intention of protecting Cecil until the FBI got involved. He's more interested in saving his arse than the Newtons.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:40 pm to crimsonsaint
Cam's dad wants big $$$ for son to sign with MSU but his son ends up at Auburn who did not pay anything................sounds like bs to me.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 8:44 pm to crimsonsaint
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Or he heard about Bond speaking with the FBI and said "oh shite". Hired himself a lawyer and came clean. He probably had every intention of protecting Cecil until the FBI got involved. He's more interested in saving his arse than the Newtons.
OR, much more likely: The guy that has a history of lying is lying, and the guy that doesn't isn't.
Why do you automatically assume that Rogers is the one that has come clean and that Cecil hasn't?
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