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Posted on 11/12/10 at 6:58 pm
Posted by AubOrange
Auburn
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Posted on 11/12/10 at 6:58 pm
Okay, so there's basically two things that could have gone on here:

A.) Auburn is corrupt and paid Cam Newton, Cecil Newton is corrupt and was soliciting money the whole time even though his kid was in his second chance in the SEC and not in any position to bargain, Mike Slive and Charles Bloom are corrupt and hate the NCAA and hate MSU because they went over the SEC's head in some petty kindergarten jealousy, Auburn's refusal to comment is completely different from MSU's refusal to comment, and EVERYONE IS GETTING THE DEATH PENALTY!!

Or

B.) Kenny Rogers is a crook.

Look, there's a reason these allegations haven't popped up at Auburn, Oklahoma, Tennessee, or Florida the first time. The only reason it's at MSU is because Rogers is an MSU alum. He used the fact that he knew Cecil and Cam a little (from when he called them when he heard he was transferring, because that's what his whack arse "business" does) to act like he was representing them and solicit money from the MSU boosters. He couldn't have done it at any other school, because he didn't have contacts at any other schools -- just his formers teammates at MSU. The FBI is involved because, as we all know, agent runners have been a huge problem in college football for years, and they're looking to crack down Rogers. That's why Bond says "this has nothing to do with Auburn", and why he has phone records to give the FBI to prove that he talked to Rogers. Neither Auburn nor Mississippi State did anything wrong.

I like to look through here and lurk a little from time to time to see some neutral perspectives. But damn ya'll, everyone quit jumping to conclusions.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:02 pm to
Or both.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37847 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:06 pm to
quote:

Look, there's a reason these allegations haven't popped up at Auburn, Oklahoma, Tennessee, or Florida the first time.


I wonder why those allegations havent popped up at AU? Look, you need to give Cam and Cecil a little more credit than that. You think they're dumb enough to start a 5 school bidding war? Cam probably had zero interest in going to OU, UT, or UF. He just enjoyed being wined an dined on his five officials just like every other recruit.
Posted by AubOrange
Auburn
Member since Sep 2010
18 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

Cam probably had zero interest in going to OU, UT, or UF.


Cam did have interest in going to UF. So much so that he, in fact, went there.
Posted by Dribble
Hey, nice marmot.
Member since Jun 2008
9576 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:13 pm to
Bears eat beets.
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

B.) Kenny Rogers is a crook.


Sammy The Bull Gravano is a crook who took part in 19 murders.

But that didn't stop the FBI from using his testimony to help put away much of the Gambino crime family, including his boss John Gotti.

So yeah, Kenny Rogers is sleazy. Doesn't mean he's lying.

A jury believed Sammy the Bull, didn't they?
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

Bears eat beets.


The Russian ones do. Others are perfectly content to eat salmon and honey...
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37847 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

Cam did have interest in going to UF. So much so that he, in fact, went there.


And, in fact, left. We all know why he left now.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:18 pm to
I still don't see what this thread has to do with Occam's Razor by the way...
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:19 pm to
There's no doubt that Kenny Rogers is not exactly a saint.

But Cecil Newton doesn't seem like a quality person either.

Posted by AubOrange
Auburn
Member since Sep 2010
18 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:20 pm to
quote:

Sammy The Bull Gravano is a crook who took part in 19 murders.

But that didn't stop the FBI from using his testimony to help put away much of the Gambino crime family, including his boss John Gotti.

So yeah, Kenny Rogers is sleazy. Doesn't mean he's lying.

A jury believed Sammy the Bull, didn't they?


What I'm saying is, the second option could have easily taken place without anyone else being crooked.

And the simplest solution is usually the most likely.
Posted by Dribble
Hey, nice marmot.
Member since Jun 2008
9576 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:21 pm to
Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by AubOrange
Auburn
Member since Sep 2010
18 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:26 pm to
quote:

And, in fact, left. We all know why he left now.


He left because he got arrested for buying a hot laptop, got into trouble with his grades, and he didn't like that he got redshirted his second year.

He didn't just jump up after two years and realize, "Oh shite, I forgot I didn't get paid for this, I'm leaving."
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15747 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:28 pm to
So the answer lies in the dichotomy you present? You must know more than all of the Rantards collectively. Granted, that is faint praise, but...

Some one knows what happened. It seems a stretch that all of this is just a malicious attack on Cam Newton/AU. Bureaucracies care nothing for any individual, only the "system" and the "institution" matter, the lip service to protecting the student athlete. Student athlete! Now there is an oxymoron.

Speaking of bearing false witness against thy neighbor, the spurious attack should be thrice punished-severely.

Another point is the shelf life of this problem. Reggie Bush won a Heisman Trophy that, under the rules at the time, rightly belonged to some one else. If AU "wins" the SEC and the BCSCG under similar circumstances, then irreparable harm will have occurred to innocent parties. Justice must be swift or justice will not be done...

Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:33 pm to
Ummm... you realize that if Auburn in fact did this and the SEC refused to acknowledge it as a serious issue (which they most certainly did), then Auburn simply hasn't done shite to actually really investigate it. They also aren't going to openly claim they found anything.

Most times when these things happen, the school isn't investigated until after the allegations get into the media, which is right now.

Auburn isn't going to turn itself in.
Posted by AubOrange
Auburn
Member since Sep 2010
18 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

Ummm... you realize that if Auburn in fact did this and the SEC refused to acknowledge it as a serious issue (which they most certainly did), then Auburn simply hasn't done shite to actually really investigate it. They also aren't going to openly claim they found anything.


Why do you assume that Auburn, the Newtons, the SEC office, and everyone in the situation is dirty, when it could just be that Kenny Rogers is dirty?
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

There's no doubt that Kenny Rogers is not exactly a saint.

But Cecil Newton doesn't seem like a quality person either.


No doubt.

Whereas, John Bond and Bill Bell are both executive bidnessmen -- Bond's a VP of a construction company and Bell owns his own roofing company in the Fla. panhandle (whose reputations stand in the balance if they're caught lying) -- but so far their stories more or less corroborate what Kenny Rogers has said thus far.

Granted, what they've said isn't courtroom testimony under oath. But if all three are willing to go on the record to the FBI (likely), that makes it that much more likely that they are telling the truth.

And if those two coaches from MSU also corroborate the story (and add to it), even less like Cecil is telling the truth. But what's really needed is the blue dress, or the tape that proves Cecil asked for money. At which point, this whole thing goes nuclear... assuming such evidence even exists.

They could all be lying. It's possible. They could be working together to make up a tall tale about Cecil Newton just to hurt Auburn and get even with Cecil. But it's looking less and less likely every day that Cecil is being honest.
This post was edited on 11/12/10 at 7:50 pm
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

when it could just be that Kenny Rogers is dirty?


So why are John Bond and Bill Bell more or less in agreement with what Rogers has had to say?

What's their incentive to get down in the dirt with such a dirty man?
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

And the simplest solution is usually the most likely.


Simply speaking, there's a lot of smoke signals and they all seem to be blowing in the direction of Cecil Newton.
Posted by BamaDixi
Underneath Bryant-Denny
Member since Nov 2009
2265 posts
Posted on 11/12/10 at 7:58 pm to
quote:

Or both.

I choose all of the above.
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