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Posted on 6/9/25 at 7:59 am to JayAg
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:22 am to ChestRockwell
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Didn't they lose to N Illinois? A Jr High team?
This is why Freeman isn’t a top 5 coach. Marshall, NIU, etc.
With Freeman and BK it comes down to this:
BK: His teams are more consistent and he has a proven track record of stability and managing programs. They’ll beat almost every team that they have better talent than, but he’ll almost always lose to teams with better or equal talent, and quite often by double digits. Not a serious threat to win a Natty, whether he has been at Cincy, ND, or LSU. Boring, predictable, but consistent.
Freeman: The opposite of BK, his teams are inconsistent. When playing teams with better or equal talent, they will almost always either lose by a close/respectable margin or even beat them. Again, the opposite of BK. His teams have 1 game every year where they lose to a team that they shouldn’t lose to. Again, the opposite of BK. Exciting, unpredictable, inconsistent. Again, the opposite of BK. Will probably not win a Natty.
My guess is ND fans will take the guy who does better against teams with better or equal talent, even though there is 1 inexplicable loss every season. He probably won’t win a Natty. Likewise, my guess is LSU fans will take the guy who has a very good track record of being a CEO and is much more stable than Coach O. BK probably won’t win a Natty, but going 10-3 and being a top 10-15 program every year is better than Coach O driving the program into the ground.
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 8:23 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:31 am to John Casey
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The argument isn't really that one is better than the other. The argument is that it's dumb to place Freeman above Kelly, based on what both have accomplished at Notre Dame, which is the same thing, a loss in the national championship game. Kelly brought Notre Dame back to relevance and sustained it for several years. Freeman has one season out of 3. Maybe he surpasses Kelly as the years go by, but claiming Freeman is a top 3-5 coach in the game is just insane, when he doesn't have the long track record.
Facts don't matter here.
We're dealing with a drunk in JayAg, a wannabe troll in crapdalton, and a raving lunatic in BamaBravesPackers.
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Notre Dame was an approximate 10 point underdog heading into the game.
That team also had a lot of talent, and prime Saban. I've never said they were undefeated, crapdalton seems confused by that.
I simply said that teams Kelly's faced in the BCS championship/CFP were a combined 41-1.
Every team Freeman faced, other than Indiana, had at least 2 losses by themselves.
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A loss is a loss, IMO, though I get that other people don't see it that way.
That.
Plus the fact that it wasn't really that close a game. Ohio State took their foot off the gas and made it look a lot closer than it really was.
Notre Dame never had the ball with a chance to even tie after about 5:00 remaining in the second quarter.
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 8:33 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:40 am to captdalton
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Sidewalk is using last season as definitive proof that Deboer is destined to fail at Alabama.
Those reading and comprehension struggles are rearing their head again.
I think DeBoer is a good coach and Bama will be good with him. 75% of the statements you and the drunk attribute to me are things you retards made up on your own.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:44 am to RammerJammer91
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When playing teams with better or equal talent, they will almost always either lose by a close/respectable margin or even beat them.
He beat Georgia with their backup QB, that's about it though.
Notre Dame had more talent than Indiana or Penn State.
Coping Notre Dame fans have created this narrative that Freeman is more competitive vs teams with more talent and it isn't really true.
I believe he does have a better record vs top 10 teams than Kelly, mostly due to matchups.
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 8:53 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:07 am to SidewalkTiger
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things you retards made up on your own.
Yeah, all the quotes that everyone has read from you are just made up.
A live look in at Sidewalk.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:10 am to captdalton
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Yeah, all the quotes that everyone has read from you are just made up.
You, personally, have said I made multiple statements in this thread that I never made.
Why lie?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:22 am to SidewalkTiger
You also turned down an easy $500. At least if Kelly is the coach you claim he is.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:24 am to captdalton
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At least if Kelly is the coach you claim he is
I've claimed Kelly is a "good" coach, nothing more, nothing less.
I've made zero claims that he'll make the playoff, win natties, or even win conference championships.
I've just said he's a good coach, for some reason, you have a real problem with that.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:29 am to SidewalkTiger
Thirty one pages says I am not the only one who disagrees with you.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:07 am to SidewalkTiger
This whole thread is about an article by a Notre Dame beat writer claiming Freeman is better in big games than Kelly. He used their records vs. top 10 opponents as the litmus test.
This has always been the knock on Kelly. It started at Cincinnati, continued at Notre Dame, and has continued at LSU. Here is Kelly’s record against top 10 ranked opponents.
Cincinnati: 0-3
Notre Dame: 3-8
LSU: 3-4 (with a loss to #11 not counted)
Total: 6-15
If Kelly wants to be considered a top 10 coach, or his program is going to be a top 10 program, he has to win more than 28% of his games against other top 10 teams.
Stand by for Sidewalk to argue that not all top ten teams are equal, and the 21 Kelly have played have all been the best ever.
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Against top ten opponents, Kelly carded a 3-8 record with five of the eight games being losses of more than two touchdowns. This 27% success rate against the best teams in the biggest games left Irish fans in a constant state of frustration.
This has always been the knock on Kelly. It started at Cincinnati, continued at Notre Dame, and has continued at LSU. Here is Kelly’s record against top 10 ranked opponents.
Cincinnati: 0-3
Notre Dame: 3-8
LSU: 3-4 (with a loss to #11 not counted)
Total: 6-15
If Kelly wants to be considered a top 10 coach, or his program is going to be a top 10 program, he has to win more than 28% of his games against other top 10 teams.
Stand by for Sidewalk to argue that not all top ten teams are equal, and the 21 Kelly have played have all been the best ever.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:07 am to captdalton
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Thirty one pages says I am not the only one who disagrees with you.
Sure, the drunk and the raving lunatic disagree with me as well, which is fine.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:19 am to captdalton
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Thirty one pages says I am not the only one who disagrees with you.
I bet you've posted on every single page at least once though.
615 posts? You probably own 100 of those. All sidewalk has to do is scratch his arse and you'll crawl right up it.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:26 am to SidewalkTiger
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Sure, the drunk and the raving lunatic disagree with me as well, which is fine.
A quick look at just the first five pages of this thread, before I even found it, shows you left off a few folks; AHM, CaptainInsano, tridentds, AgZwin, Colonel Ingus, I am dan, Dbird, GentlemanJackJones, TideSaint, Golfer1, TT9, Tornado Allay, IlliniBuck, Sl0thstronautEsq, cajunbama, chalkywhite, GreatPumpkin, and BigLeague. And that was just by page 5. You did have a number of LSU fans and one weird Georgia fan come to your rescue. But even some LSU fans disagreed with you.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:29 am to captdalton
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If Kelly wants to be considered a top 10 coach, or his program is going to be a top 10 program, he has to win more than 28% of his games against other top 10 teams.
Sideways "out" is to simply refer to Kelly as a "good" coach. It gets a whole lot more complicated than that at LSU. Comparing Kelly's football program to Les Miles is painful at this point. This all offense and no brakes approach has produced nothing of significance. Kelly's OOC record against middle-tier teams is telling and says that no one fears this version of Cajun football after 3 seasons.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:32 am to captdalton
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This whole thread is about an article by a Notre Dame beat writer claiming Freeman is better in big games than Kelly. He used their records vs. top 10 opponents as the litmus test.
This is the headline of the article:
Marcus Freeman Is Doing What Brian Kelly Couldn't at Notre Dame: Building a True Power
True powers don't lose to Northern Illinois, no matter how many top 10 wins they have.
Until Freeman has multiple seasons like 2024-25, he and Brian Kelly built a program to the same level of power: a team that loses by double digits in a national championship game.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:36 am to wadewilson
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All sidewalk has to do is scratch his arse and you'll crawl right up it.
This isn’t the burn you think it is. I have one person who follows me around here and posts when it has nothing to do with them at all. It happens regularly. Like here. That person is wadewilson. No, accusing someone of responding to posts in a thread they are involved in is what an internet message board is about. You could have at least posted something about Freeman vs. Kelly. But no.
It is clear that I have ruffled your delicate feathers..
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I bet you've posted on every single page at least once though.
That would be easy to determine. (Here is a spoiler, I didn’t find this thread until it was already 5 pages).
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615 posts? You probably own 100 of those
Start counting and let us know.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:36 am to captdalton
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A quick look at just the first five pages of this thread, before I even found it, shows you left off a few folks; AHM, CaptainInsano, tridentds, AgZwin, Colonel Ingus, I am dan, Dbird, GentlemanJackJones, TideSaint, Golfer1, TT9, Tornado Allay, IlliniBuck, Sl0thstronautEsq, cajunbama, chalkywhite, GreatPumpkin, and BigLeague.
So mostly shiteposters?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:38 am to SidewalkTiger
Everyone is a shite poster when they disagree with you.
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