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re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Now do vs top 10 at Dame. There is definitely a pattern.
He's 3-4 vs top 10 teams at LSU.
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:43 pm to kajunman
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Now do vs top 10 at Dame. There is definitely a pattern
we’re not notre dame
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:43 pm to kajunman
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Now do vs top 10 at Dame. There is definitely a pattern.
I don't feel like looking it up.
Also, Saban was 2-4 vs top 10 teams at LSU prior to his championship season.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:49 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Ok so we'll roll with 3/4 at LSU which is under 500. I get it though. As fans we want to believe. I have a hard time believing in someone with his history of past failures in big games. The way his teams have been beaten in those matchups are bad.
we’re not notre dame
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:51 pm to Gen Patton
quote:that's kind of important.
except the scoreboard and scoring TDs
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:52 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why are so many coaches not doing so then?
Coaches at top 20 programs are. If they don’t they get fired after 3 or 4 years. The winning percentages of current and recent coaches at top 20 type programs.
Georgia/Smart: 84.7%
Ohio State/Day: 87.5%
Penn State/Franklin: 70.6% (81% last three seasons)
Clemson/Swinney: 79.3%
Texas/Sarkisian: 69.1% (76.7% last three seasons)
Alabama/Deboer: 69.2% (one season)
LSU/Kelly: 72.5%
Notre Dame/Freeman: 76.7%
Oregon/Lanning: 85.4%
Michigan/Harbaugh: 78.1%
Washington/Deboer: 89.3%
Tennessee/Heupel: 71.2%
Kelly does not look very good when compared against that list. Kelly’s winning percentage at LSU is closer to Brent Venables’ than Kirby Smart’s.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:53 pm to kajunman
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I have a hard time believing in someone with his history of past failures in big games. The way his teams have been beaten in those matchups are bad.
Which big games specifically are you referring to?
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:56 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Vs top 10 opponents are big games. He has an abysmal record in those games between Dame and LSU. He has a pattern.
Which big games specifically are you referring to?
Do you think LSU makes the playoffs this season ? BK has said this is his most talented roster. If he fails to make the playoffs, will it change your opinion of him. Also would you want him fired if he doesn't ?
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:57 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Which big games specifically are you referring to?
Opening ones.
ETA: Sorry, I'm just poking.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:01 pm to kajunman
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Do you think LSU makes the playoffs this season ? BK has said this is his most talented roster. If he fails to make the playoffs, will it change your opinion of him. Also would you want him fired if he doesn't ?
Sure, I've always said this season will be the inflection point for his tenure at LSU.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:01 pm to borotiger
quote:I LOL'd for real.
Opening ones.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
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He's 3-4 vs top 10 teams at LSU.
Does that meet your expectations? Winning 42% of your games against the top teams you play? That is exactly what Kelly is doing. Winning six or so games each season against vastly outmanned teams and then going .500 or a little worse against comparably matched teams. You seem to be very happy with that. But most LSU fans have come to expect more.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:01 pm to kajunman
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that's kind of important.
Exactly, that’s my point!
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:02 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:I don't think he gets fired though. 10 years is an albatross of a contract.
Sure, I've always said this season will be the inflection point for his tenure at LSU.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:06 pm to kajunman
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I LOL'd for real
That was like a Texas Tech pitcher trying to throw a ball, I couldn't help myself.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:08 pm to captdalton
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Georgia/Smart: 84.7%
Ohio State/Day: 87.5%
Penn State/Franklin: 70.6% (81% last three seasons)
Clemson/Swinney: 79.3%
Texas/Sarkisian: 69.1% (76.7% last three seasons)
Alabama/Deboer: 69.2% (one season)
LSU/Kelly: 72.5%
Notre Dame/Freeman: 76.7%
Oregon/Lanning: 85.4%
Michigan/Harbaugh: 78.1%
Washington/Deboer: 89.3%
Tennessee/Heupel: 71.2%
Let's put it in order:
1. Ohio State/Day: 87.5%
2. Oregon/Lanning: 85.4%
3. Georgia/Smart: 84.7%
4. Clemson/Swinney: 79.3%
5. Notre Dame/Freeman: 76.7%
6. LSU/Kelly: 72.5%
7. Tennessee/Heupel: 71.2%
8. Penn State/Franklin: 70.6% (81% last three seasons)
9. Alabama/Deboer: 69.2% (one season)
10. Texas/Sarkisian: 69.1% (76.7% last three seasons)
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Kelly does not look very good when compared against that list.
He's 6th on it
And 4 of the 5 ahead of him took over programs that were already winning a lot of games consistently.
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Kelly’s winning percentage at LSU is closer to Brent Venables’ than Kirby Smart’s.
Incorrect
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:11 pm to JayAg
They lost the last big game they played.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:15 pm to captdalton
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Does that meet your expectations? Winning 42% of your games against the top teams you play? That is exactly what Kelly is doing. Winning six or so games each season against vastly outmanned teams and then going .500 or a little worse against comparably matched teams. You seem to be very happy with that. But most LSU fans have come to expect more.
Well then we're back into the discussion of who is better?
I couldn't find an easily available ranking of CFB coaches vs top 10 teams however a ranking from prior to last season of records vs ranked teams has BK at #7.
This board keeps saying BK is "mediocre" or "can't win a championship" based on criteria that only 5-7 coaches are better than him in.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:20 pm to GentleJackJones
quote:You mean, like their starting QB? Because you can't get any more key than that.
Are we just going to casually ignore and sweep under the rug all of Notre Dame’s key injuries?
quote:Of course they bitched, because Beck had a dropoff from the previous year. Plus, some of that was coping- "hey, we'll actually be better with this guy running the ball", etc.
Besides, I read and heard so many Georgia fans after the SEC Championship that the loss of Beck was actually a positive and that Stockton gave them a better chance
quote:Ok...
Then, after the game, they used Beck (who was suspect all year) as a crutch.
Beck's REGULAR SEASON numbers the past 2 years (he got hurt early in the SEC championship last year)
2023: 3495 yds, 22 td 6 int, with Brock Bowers, 12-0, around 75%.
2024: 3429 yds, 28 td 12 int, WITHOUT Bowers, 10-2, around 65%
I'm thinking Bowers impacts his game a lot, and he still threw about the same yds and more scores. Yeah, lower % and more int, but if he had Bowers he might not force things as much.
Seems like it's about a wash... and if someone wants to say "oh you must not have watched, he was worse", then that goes straight to the "UGA not up to the standards of prior seasons" argument.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
I am glad you are so satisfied with Kelly. As an opposing fan I am very satisfied with him as well.
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