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Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:59 pm to
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:59 pm to
Dale, with all due respect, rebounds ARE important and the lack there of is, and has been, a huge knock on Anderson teams in big games.
Posted by Litigator
Hog Jaw, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:00 pm to
I haven't looked at the stats closely but I thought our shooting really stunk the last two games. Maybe it just seemed so bad because we shot so lights out against Ole Miss.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43499 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:01 pm to
Shooting was down both games.

Bama shot above their average.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:02 pm to
On one hand, CMA's system is not designed to win the rebounding battle. Still, it helps to keep the rebounding edge closer than it was today.

On the other hand, free throw attempts matter, of course, especially in a close game. We gave away a lot of cheap fouls and some of them were very questionable calls, but that happens in basketball.

So you're both right.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

I haven't looked at the stats closely but I thought our shooting really stunk the last two games.


@Bama I'm sure it was awful.

Today wasn't too bad, it was good enough to win. Shot better from the field than we did in a lot of our wins in conference.

Rebounding has been the achilles heel of this team all season.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:05 pm to
quote:

Dale, with all due respect, rebounds ARE important and the lack there of is, and has been, a huge knock on Anderson teams in big games.


90% of the time that criticism is idiotic. Our style of play is designed to force turnovers and to get up and down the floor quick in transition. This is going to put you at a disadvantage when rebounding.

It's a calculated move. We aren't going out with the intention of dominating the boards. The problem usually occurs when we don't make up those possessions with the turnover margin.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43499 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

Dale, with all due respect, rebounds ARE important and the lack there of is, and has been, a huge knock on Anderson teams in big games.



No, not the way you describe it.

Not the way the stats are compiled.

The stat is compiled using total rebounds which is meaningless in that it doesn't differentiate poor shooting teams playing other poor shooting teams, hence Quinnepec being the top rebounding team in the country three years running.

All a defensive rebound is a stop in a possession, same a steal or a turnover.

Offensive rebounds are the only important statistic and only meaningful in a game if the team is efficient with 2nd chance opportunities. SCAR was not efficient, Arkansas was with their Oboard opportunities leading to a "push" as far as scoring is concerned.

Rebounds are inconsequential in a 2 point game where you give up 10 additional points than you earned on the line on 20 additional attempts.

FTs are earned by fouling. The game wasn't lost because Arkansas didn't rebound enough, it was lost because Arkansas fouled too much.

Close game are won and lost on the free throw line.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
8720 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:11 pm to
When we beat Kentucky at home, we were out-rebounded by 18.

When we beat Ole Miss by 30 points, we were out-rebounded by 12.

We don't need to be a good rebounding team to have success.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
33368 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:14 pm to
You're insufferable.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43499 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

When we beat Kentucky at home, we were out-rebounded by 18.



Yes, but we outscored Kentucky off of Oboards on fewer Oboards. Arkansas was more efficient than Kentucky in scoring, even tho Kentucky is one of the most efficient offensive rebounding teams in the country (over 40%).

They are quick to put up points off turnovers on a graphic on TV.

They never put up offensive rebound efficiency and 2nd chance points efficiency because it doesn't fit their narrative of rebounds being the most important part of the game, because rebounding isn't, efficiency is...
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
68478 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:15 pm to
Ehhh, you must not have ever played basketball before.

Stats don't show everything.

Rebounding affects a team mentally.

It is absolutely demoralizing to play lock down defense for 30+ seconds, force a terrible shot, and then have them get the board and reset. You wear down mentally and physically, and that is when you foul.

Arkansas had this happen too many times, when it mattered.

Oh and lets not forget when they missed their 2nd free throw and got the rebound, and then got fouled again and made 2 FT's. A direct result of not rebounding. You should NEVER give up an offensive rebound on a free throw, ever.

Right when Arkansas was on the heels of a run, stretch it to 3 or 4 in the 2nd half, crowd we had was up cheering, we played lock down defense resulting in an awful thrown up contested off balance 3 from Thornwell with 1 second on the shot clock, and they got the offensive rebound and fouled on the put back. Another foul resulting directly in the lack of rebounding, on a possession that killed all momentum Arkansas had.

Momentum and mental effects from lack of rebounding especially offensively, isn't in the stat book.

Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43499 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:15 pm to
This thread is about post season basketball play, so no need for a LSU fan to be in it.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27120 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:18 pm to
quote:

This thread is about post season basketball play, so no need for a LSU fan to be in it.


Its postseason and we have a game tomorrow
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
33368 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:18 pm to
You don't know shite about basketball.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:18 pm to
Thank you.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43499 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:19 pm to
quote:

Its postseason and we have a game tomorrow



Ah, LSU considers the SECT as real post season play.

This is why you will never be relevant in the sport.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 10:20 pm
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27120 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:30 pm to
BubbleWatch Question?

Do you think the bubbleologist will notice that LSU just throttled the team by 12 that beat down a "bauble team" by 25 points a few days ago?
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 10:31 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43499 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

Do you think the bubbleologist will notice that LSU just throttled the team by 12 that beat down a "bauble team" by 25 points a few days ago?



You might move onto the NIT bubble.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
33368 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:55 pm to
quote:

This is why you will never be relevant in the sport.

We've been beating Arky a lot lately.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43499 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:58 pm to
quote:

We've been beating Arky a lot lately.



Only game that matters to LSU, no matter the sport.

Congrats, I guess.
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