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re: NIL saga: AGs of Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, SC file brief in support of NCAA

Posted on 2/12/21 at 2:23 pm to
Posted by GulfCoastOutlaw
Fort Walton Beach
Member since Feb 2021
389 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 2:23 pm to
Would playing in Chicago get a player more media hype than Tebow did at florida or Devonta Smith or Najee Harris dud at Alabama?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64511 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 2:51 pm to
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Which of course is the ultimate goal of the left

Which is hilarious because college sports is 99% comprised of student athletes that 1) won't make money playing sports after college; or 2) can't go to college without an athletic scholarship. So they're basically saying we'd rather a minority of athletes get paid before the majority have the opportunity to receive an education. So lets just add tens of thousands of more young people to that government welfare payroll and jack up those incarceration rates for the kids that are saved from a life on the inner city streets by the opportunities an athletic scholarship provides.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 2:52 pm
Posted by 285exp
Mobile, Al
Member since Jan 2012
191 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 2:51 pm to
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How about just let players go pro at whatever age the pros are willing to draft? Otherwise, take the education as your compensation.


If the NFL really wanted to draft kids right out of high school, or even very many first and second year players, they wouldn’t have a rule against it. Only a handful of skill players would have a chance, and the NFL is better off with a strong college system to develop the players so they can mature enough to compete against grown-arse men. The less developed they are the greater the draft risk and the more time and money they have to spend.

This ain’t the NBA.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64511 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 2:53 pm to
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If the NFL really wanted to draft kids right out of high school, or even very many first and second year players, they wouldn’t have a rule against it.

That is two-fold. You're not wrong in that maybe a couple players a year, at most, would get drafted; however, that rule is also in place so they can have a free minor league system to see who develops and who doesn't before paying them. It's the most financially beneficial construct for any professional league in the world.
Posted by PlateJohnsonIII
Member since Feb 2020
6159 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 3:12 pm to
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They'll eventually get paid. You can only delay it so long. The amateurism has been gone for a long time.


This is 100% the truth whether the dumbs on this board want to believe it or not.

It would be much better for ADs and NCAA to get ahead of this rather than having to fight it out in court cases like this.
This is what they get for burying their heads in the sand for so long though.

People have been talking about the need for reform for years, all these new legal cases are simply the chickens finally coming home to roost, and if the ship isn’t steered in the right direction this will be the end of the NCAA.

The amateurism rules are completely nonsensical due to the fact that D1 CFB is not even a fricking amateur league combined with the fact that the NCAA has a complete monopoly on collegiate sports.

If this goes to the supreme court, the NCAA will likely be massively restricted in which rules they can impose on players for state institutions - effectively ending college football as we know it.

It’s my belief that simply allowing profiting off of name and likeness will make the current crop of legal troubles go away. That single, moronic restriction is what is going to kill them.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 3:13 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53442 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 3:50 pm to
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Leftist 9th circuit court says NCAA can’t restrict benefits to college athletes
Opens the door for paying players
Nobody was allowed a voice and one court is trying to ruin it for everyone
NCAA opposes it. AGs in red states agree with NCAA.

If Supreme Court upholds 9th circuit ruling it will cost universities a ton of money in the athletic Dept leading to the cancelling of non revenue sports so they can pay players in revenue generating sports.

And what is not mentioned is no women sports generate revenue and you’d run into title IX issues if you only had men’s basketball and football.

So essentially say bye bye to college sports if this stands. Which of course is the ultimate goal of the left



Yeah a ton of sports will be gone. Using your school for example:

Mississippi State University spent $23,381,107 on men's teams and received $36,893,213 in revenue. On average, Mississippi State University gave male athletes $13,268 in sports related student aid.

Mississippi State University spent $7,176,396 on women's teams and received $7,176,396 in revenue. On average, Mississippi State University gave female athletes $13,146 in sports related student aid.


I'm willing bet that the revenue from Men sports is given to womens to help make up short falls.



Bama:

The University of Alabama spent $49,153,026 on men's teams and received $94,508,732 in revenue. On average, The University of Alabama gave male athletes $16,781 in sports related student aid.

Women's Sports

The University of Alabama spent $15,395,726 on women's teams and received $6,993,413 in revenue. On average, The University of Alabama gave female athletes $15,899 in sports related student aid.
Posted by Taskrj
Murfreesboro, TN
Member since Jan 2013
992 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:24 pm to
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It’s my belief that simply allowing profiting off of name and likeness will make the current crop of legal troubles go away. That single, moronic restriction is what is going to kill them.


Democratic Senators Cory Booker and Richard Blumenthal have introduced a bill in congress.

They call it “The College Athletes Bill of Rights.”

“The most ambitious—and likely the most contentious—provision,” reports The New York Times, “would require colleges to share the profits they make with the athletes who generate them.

In sports where revenues exceed the cost of scholarships across an entire division—at the moment that would be athletes who play football, men’s and women’s basketball and baseballthe profits generated in each sport would be shared equally with the scholarship players.

“Using data supplied by universities to the Department of Education, Booker said that would mean payments of $173,000 a year to football players, $115,600 to men’s basketball players, $19,050 to women’s basketball players, and $8,670 to baseball players who are on full scholarship,” The New York Times reported.

***The AMOUNTS LISTED ABOVE ARE THE ESTIMATED EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE AVAILABLE PROFIT***

To make sure these salaries are paid and colleges fully comply with Booker’s mandates, the law would also create a Commission on College Athletics.

This commission would consist of nine presidential appointees and would have potentially sweeping powers.

Booker’s bill states in part: “There is established a commission, to be known as the ‘Commission on College Athletics,’ for the following purposes:

(1) To act for the benefit of all college athletes without regard to receipt of grant-in-aid.

(2) To protect the economic interests of college athletes.”

The New York Times noted it would also have the power to “ban individuals from working in college athletics.”

Gross Profit is ALL monies earned after deducting the costs associated with providing its services i.e., marketing the brand, ticket sales, concessions, coaching salaries, utilities, etc.

Net Profit is ALL monies left over after expenses are paid, i.e., building costs, new equipment purchases, updated facilities, etc.

Most will want to be paid on the GROSS, not the NET because you can continually add expenses that someone may not agree to or with.

This will in my opinion devastate college athletics.

Additionally, Bama would rapidly lose the investment advantages in state of the art facilities and in retaining the best overall program, as we are currently one of the highest-earning programs in the country.

We also continually upgrade and invest in state of the art facilities, etc.

If this is passed in the Democratic-led house and senate. It will be signed by President Biden.

It will in my opinion change college sports dramatically and eventually lead to its destruction.

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:52 pm to
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Would playing in Chicago get a player more media hype than Tebow did at florida or Devonta Smith or Najee Harris dud at Alabama?


Certainly it would also depend on how good they are. You put those three in Chicago, Los Angeles or New York and the answer would be certainly. Easily.

Do you think Tebow would have gone to Florida if another school had dangled thousands of dollars worth of endorsement deals at him? I mean, Tebow might have.

Thing is, a lot of the Alabama players go to Alabama because of the success they have. If a tone of those 5* players start going to UCLA, USC, Syracuse and some of those schools for the dollars they would start having the success and then the players would have more reasons to go there.

Look, apparently you are blinded to the fact, that the upper tier players essentially want to make money. Most are not playing for the love of a school, but playing so they can put themselves in better positions to be drafted into the NFL and make big contracts. Now, think about what would happen if they could make those dollars if they go to media centers....which would have more money to give.

I find it difficult to believe that you can't see that the players will go where the money is. Free Agency in basketball, football and baseball should tell you that.

A tone of pro athletes make a huge amount of money on endorsements.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:53 pm to
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Would playing in Chicago get a player more media hype than Tebow did at florida or Devonta Smith or Najee Harris dud at Alabama?


Are you under the impression that playing in Florida is the same as playing in new York?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30056 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:58 pm to
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I don't want to see kids get exploited.


Point out a single kid in the history of NCAA athletics who has been exploited.
Posted by escatawpabuckeye
Member since Jan 2013
955 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:56 pm to
frick lawyers
Posted by PlateJohnsonIII
Member since Feb 2020
6159 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:27 pm to
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Point out a single kid in the history of NCAA athletics who has been exploited.



The list wouldn’t fit in a single post.
Every starting D1 player that didn’t make the NFL in the past decade was exploited. The helped generated a shite ton of revenue and 98% of then got nothing but a useless degree.

You morons do realize that D1 CFB players academic situation isn’t the same as normal people, right? They are discouraged from pursuing difficult (ie useful) degrees. Their study and sometimes course time is metered and greatly reduced compared to even average students. They are often tutored in ways that don’t benefit them. All of these things are often requirements for pursuing their football career and maintaining their scholarship.

The feel good story of them getting access to a good education through football is often a myth.
Posted by PlateJohnsonIII
Member since Feb 2020
6159 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:28 pm to
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Taskrj


That bill is DoA, and you are fear mongering with it.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:41 pm to
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The list wouldn’t fit in a single post.
Every starting D1 player that didn’t make the NFL in the past decade was exploited. The helped generated a shite ton of revenue and 98% of then got nothing but a useless degree.


What a load of complete garbage.

Are you REALLY trying to tell me these kids would have been better off had they never gone to college?

Of course not.I've known some guys that played big time CFB but didn't graduate and had numerous doors open for them in business and other venues that never would have been available to them otherwise.

BTW the vast majority of school in D1. aren't making "millions"

Stop with the cliches.Your embarrassing yourself.
Posted by PlateJohnsonIII
Member since Feb 2020
6159 posts
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:38 pm to
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re you REALLY trying to tell me these kids would have been better off had they never gone to college?


No, they would be better off if an organization comprised of state actors (public universities) didn’t conspire to restrict their inalienable right of the pursuit of wealth.

quote:

Your embarrassing yourself.

Lol.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 12:00 am to
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No, they would be better off if an organization comprised of state actors (public universities) didn’t conspire to restrict their inalienable right of the pursuit of wealth


Nice dodge but you still didn't answer the question.

Let's say a school doesn't make "millions" off athletics and actually loses money like almost all did this year or other G5 schools do annually along with a few P5's.

Are they still "exploiting" these kids?

Do you think these kids would be better off if CFB and basketball never existed?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 7:53 am to
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Some students do not need any English to get in.


Where is this?

How can anyone get through HS without taking English?
Posted by RoscoeSanCarlos
Member since Oct 2017
1324 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 10:52 am to
In my big-boy job, my employer will cover tuition costs for a college course. I am taxed on that non-monetary contribution. If we’re gonna allow NIL income to college players, then let’s line all of the following up on ye ole W2 for every scholarship athlete to go along with any monetary NIL income:
1. Tuition
2. Books & Lab Materials
3. Personal Trainer Consultations
4. Nutritionist Consultations
5. Meal Plan
6. Housing & Utilities
7. Educational Support & Personal Tutoring
8. Stipend & Game Day Per Diems

CPAs are gonna have a new client niche. So, I’m all in. We should all pay our fair share. It’s the only way. They are gonna get their NIL money ...and a whole lot more.
Posted by Taskrj
Murfreesboro, TN
Member since Jan 2013
992 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 12:04 pm to
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That bill is DoA, and you are fear mongering with it.


I hope it is, however, YOU are being way too optimistic in your assessment.

Sen. Corry Booker (Spartacus) and Blumenthal are central to the overall plan of left-wing politics.

Anything they initiate in the Dem controlled Senate, House, and Oval office will be given TOP PRIORITY.

You know it, I know it, and ALL the readers here KNOW it, regardless of which side of the aisle they support!!

My opinion is this: They didn't create this proposal in a vacuum, it has legs and will gain a tremendous amount of support among their peers throughout congress who are the decision-makers at this point. And, ALL to the detriment of College Athletics.
This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 12:06 pm
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