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re: New ESPN investigative report on the murder of Jamea Harris/Brandon Miller situation.

Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by Mulkey Man
Member since Apr 2021
19403 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:39 pm to
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Actually the DA in Tuscaloosa said he didn’t do anything criminal


There’s a difference between a DA not having enough evidence to charge someone, and “saying he didn’t do anything criminal.”
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2847 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:48 pm to
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There’s a difference between a DA not having enough evidence to charge someone, and “saying he didn’t do anything criminal.”


Considering the statements by Millers attorney, the statements by the T-Town police, the statements by Tuscaloosa DA , the video evidence, the timeline presented by the ESPN article… it certainly appears that Brandon Miller not only didn’t do anything wrong, he’s actually lucky that he wasn’t shot himself … sitting in his car!

Miles apparently knew something might go down.. he grabbed his girlfriend and moved away. Meanwhile, Miller just sat in his car… so common sense would say he didn’t know what was about to happen. He almost got caught in the crossfire himself.

I’m starting to think a lot of you would be happy if he too had been killed. Then y’all could have really smeared him!

Despite how badly you guys want him to be guilty of something, all the evidence we have at this moment points to the fact that he isn’t guilty of anything. I know y’all hate that
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
12998 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:50 pm to
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I think they could have easily used the text to Miller as circumstantial evidence



The text is not enough. Keep in mind that the standard is very high. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" means "to the exclusion of any other reasonable explanation." Not, I think he probably did it, or it's likely he did it. We're talking levels of nearly absolute certainty.

It's a much higher bar than most people think.


There is a high bar to convict. There is a very low bar to indict. They could have indicted him if they wanted to.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:52 pm to
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Actually the DA in Tuscaloosa said he didn’t do anything criminal


False
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6862 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:52 pm to
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You've done the exact same thing in favor of Miller.



Of course we did. The standard is innocent UNTIL proven guilty. Brandon Miller was always on the side of innocent because the DA didn't charge him.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:52 pm to
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There’s a difference between a DA not having enough evidence to charge someone, and “saying he didn’t do anything criminal.”


Some folks simply can't grasp this.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50796 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:53 pm to
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Kelvin is angry that Alabama never called to offer condolences, and that they hollowly invoke Harris' name as an afterthought. DeCarla tries not to waste her energy on it. She vacillates between sadness and anger but sticks to her singular focus of raising the little boy her daughter can't.

"They've showed me who they are," she said. "They're not relevant. I'm not going to make the University of Alabama relevant off my daughter's name. Her life is just as important, and her potential for her life is just as important as Brandon Miller."


So the family continues to make fools of themselves. Noted.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:53 pm to
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Of course we did. The standard is innocent UNTIL proven guilty. 


That's the court of law not the court of public opinion.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:55 pm to
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Now I understand. You don’t have a fricking clue but that doesn’t stop you from offering up your uninformed opinion (minus a couple of tweets and tabloid type stories) as if you have insight


Well yeah.

That's pretty much what this message board consists of.


This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2847 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:56 pm to
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That's the court of law not the court of public opinion


The public opinion is based on shitty reporting by the likes of Goodman and Clay Travis!

Regardless of what comes out in trial…. Your mind is made up that Miller is guilty.

Carry on grasshopper
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65136 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:57 pm to
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Then you missed it. At the end of the initial altercation something was handed from the back seat of Harris' Jeep to Bradley in the front. Bradley told police it was food. Miles told police he saw a gun. Miles could be lying, but if you assume he is telling the truth, it makes the claim that he got his gun to give Davis to use in self-defense a lot more believable. Of course, they should have just got out of there at that point, but they didn't.

That's not what the article said. The article said
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Davis stopped at the Jeep and began dancing, and according to court testimony, later told investigators he was "drunk off tequila." Bradley was standing a few feet behind him.

Johnson told police that during their initial interaction, he told Davis he was Harris' boyfriend and to "move along." Johnson said Davis responded, "Well, you don't know who I am. You don't know what I do to you." Humphrey testified she heard Johnson say, "Brother, why don't you be good," and the only thing she heard was Davis saying, "I don't want your girl." Miles returned to the Jeep, and Miles' attorney said during the hearing that "Jaden Bradley is the one that says Darius Miles tried to calm the situation down, got [Davis] to go." Humphrey testified she didn't hear Miles say anything to anyone in the Jeep.

Police testified that during the interaction, either Harris or Humphrey passed something to Johnson in the back seat. Johnson told police it was food. Miles told police he saw a gun.


So Miles "saw a gun" 10 minutes prior, before Davis ever had a gun, and made no statement that the boyfriend brandished a gun, only that he saw a gun passed from one occupant to another in a car. He then texts Miller, asks for his gun, Miller comes, Miles gets his gun and gives it to Davis, communication regarding whether it was loaded occurred. Then, Davis walks to the Jeep, and shots are fired immediately once Davis reaches the driver's side window. Video surveillance shows that two shots were fired by Davis prior to the boyfriend returning fire. That is a ridiculous self-defense claim Davis is trying to make, and it will be an extremely hard sell to a jury.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:59 pm to
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Regardless of what comes out in trial…. Your mind is made up that Miller is guilty.


That isn't true at all.

I'm fairly neutral on the topic.

I don't even follow basketball.

Again, no one knows Miller's intent except for Miller, no one can say if he's innocent or guilty.
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2847 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:01 pm to
Well we know the guy in the Jeep had a gun. Miles claims he saw it!

I guess Davis defense will be “what was I supposed to do, wait for him to shoot first”.

Davis is screwed in this deal, he’s going to prison and he should. The driver of the Jeep may be guilty as well and he may face some legal consequences before this is over.

I’m betting Miles charges are reduced eventually..
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14393 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:04 pm to
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Some folks simply can't grasp this.


Let me help everyone out then.

If the ref doesn't throw the flag in football, it's not a penalty.

In law, if the prosecutor doesn't file charges, it's not a crime.

Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36153 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:07 pm to
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If the ref doesn't throw the flag in football, it's not a penalty.


It is if Bama was supposedly the one that committed it and the announcers hint at it. At least on this site,
Posted by Miller4Naismith
Member since Feb 2023
28 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:10 pm to
Maybe now they will stop with the lock him up chants and booing. But I doubt that many tournament attendees will read that long of an article.

Good insight and article overall and just in time for the tournament run.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:25 pm to
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Let me help everyone out then.

If the ref doesn't throw the flag in football, it's not a penalty.

In law, if the prosecutor doesn't file charges, it's not a crime.



Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50796 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:31 pm to
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Yea what’s unclear is how Miller knew exactly where to go. Maybe it was disclosed before or after the gun text. We weren’t given any indication either way


Seems like he just returned to where they parked to start the night.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6777 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:36 pm to
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Based solely on what I'm reading here, Brandon Miller should not have been charged.

I'm not sure that Darius Miles should either; more has to be known to make a determination there.

If Davis can't make a self-defense justification, he should bring a toothbrush. He sounds like arrived in Tuscaloosa with trouble. You have to be careful about the company you keep.

The whole thing is as tragic as it was completely avoidable. Just ridiculous, really.


This is all really well said. It's just heartbreaking. A woman lost her life because some idiot men did idiot things. I look at the pictures of her sweet little boy and just feel heartbreak. As of a month or two ago, he could have done whatever he wanted with his life- who knows? Now, it's just going to be that much more difficult to pull himself out of this sadness.

I'm not so sure I agree Miles shouldn't be charged- tough call. I had sympathy for him for a good part of the story until we got to the final moments. We've all had a fricked-up or toxic friend, whose corner we stood in, at our own personal harm, for hopes things would get better for them. Hopefully not Davis-level fricked-up (seriously, frick that guy- he's even worse than I thought) but people who were lost just like him. But after reading these details, it really became clear that Miles kind of controlled the escalation of the entire lead-up to the shooting. Davis is the dumb frick with nothing to lose who started/ended it, and Miles was the slightly more competent individual, probably had a little bit better of a home life, who had something to lose and should have known better...but instead pushed all this shite to the ledge. It's just incredibly sad for all involved, and what has become to our society that this shite can happen so easily. Like you said, just completely avoidable and ridiculous.

All that said, at the absolute bottom of my give-a-frick-o-meter are all the deranged virtue-signaling (primarily LSU and Auburn but a surprisingly large swath in all honesty) 'fans' who have absolutely no interest in the facts, and instead have been actively cheering this to get worse for Miller, while somehow trying to maintain a transparent facade of morals or actually giving a shite about the victims. That's real sickness.
Posted by SFVtiger
Member since Oct 2003
4287 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 1:42 pm to
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while somehow trying to maintain a transparent facade of morals or actually giving a shite about the victims.


speaking of

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his is all really well said. It's just heartbreaking. A woman lost her life because some idiot men did idiot things
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