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re: NCAA to halt all NIL investigations

Posted on 3/2/24 at 6:40 am to
Posted by LewEvansFan
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 6:40 am to
Correct. No chance at discerning pay for play vs marketing on their NIL. And all they need to do is show up for an autograph signing or 2 every year.
Posted by 404 Error
Member since Feb 2024
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 8:39 am to
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It’s over.

The horse is out of the barn.
“Direct” versus “indirect” payments are semantics.

“Specific athletics performance” is going to be impossible to prove. The highest NiL deals will accrue to the players who “perform” the best.

Schools can probably cut most of the compliance staff.

This is why Saban retired. It is the reason Alabama and Georgia are so upset.

Their buying teams under the table has just been neutralized. For years other teams have struggled to play within the rules, while certain teams, Bama and UGA to name two, operated under Mark Emmert's umbrella of protection.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 8:51 am to
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Apparently those rules were illegal and unconstitutional. I would think therefore they are irrelevant.


Completely irrelevant now.

But if you want to comment on them (by saying Carson Beck's situation was the same as Nico's), you should at least get them right.

Before the rules became irrelevant, an existing player getting big NIL deals because of performance was what NIL was for. A recruit getting a big NIL deal to play for a school was forbidden.

Equating the two is simply a misrepresentation of what the rules were.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 8:57 am to
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This is why Saban retired. It is the reason Alabama and Georgia are so upset.

Their buying teams under the table has just been neutralized. For years other teams have struggled to play within the rules, while certain teams, Bama and UGA to name two, operated under Mark Emmert's umbrella of protection.


I personally don't think pay for play is good for college football.

But as for UGA, we're going to do better with it being acceptable for all than the situation before where we were following the NIL rules and teams like Tennessee were not.

We haven't gotten a single recruit who went for a big NIL deal as a recruit. We were following the NCAA rules.

Now we'll get our share of those guys. Our recruiting will only get better with it being acceptable for all instead of only acceptable for those who wanted to break the NCAA rules on NIL.

Alabama is in even better shape. Every state that has a SEC school has state laws about NIL... except Alabama. Alabama and Auburn now have zero limitations on what they can do for NIL while UGA and Tennessee still have state laws they have to follow. Alabama can sue UGA for breaking a GA state law on NIL. UGA cannot do the same to Alabama because there are no laws to sue them under.

Tennessee's actions puts UGA is a better position and Bama in a dominant position with recruiting going forward. As if they needed the help.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 8:58 am to
Well yeah why do you think saban is complaining. He complained when we beat them with the HUNH and then he won a natty with it and didn’t say shite
Posted by 404 Error
Member since Feb 2024
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:10 am to
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Tennessee's actions puts UGA is a better position and Bama in a dominant position with recruiting going forward. As if they needed the help.



This is absolutely delusional thinking.

You think other states are going to tie the hands of their universities.

Tennessee has massive wealth in their donor base, and a state legislature that will write the law to fit the universities needs.

UT could say they want a law requiring state universities to pay a minimum of $250,000 annual and privately funded salaries to football players at said universities. They would get the law.

You are whistling past the graveyard thinking this helps Bama and UGA, and hurts everyone else.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:16 am to
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Tennessee has massive wealth in their donor base, and a state legislature that will write the law to fit the universities needs.


And once they do UT will be fine. Bama controls their legislature to such a degree they never passed a law to begin with.

Right now UT has laws they can be sued under for NIL (copied from California's NIL law which was the first one instituted). Bama doesn't.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:18 am to
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UT could say they want a law requiring state universities to pay a minimum of $250,000 annual and privately funded salaries to football players at said universities. They would get the law.


Your brain is charcoal
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4209 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:21 am to
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You are whistling past the graveyard thinking this helps Bama and UGA, and hurts everyone else.


It helps any team who has money to buy players who was following the NCAA's rules prior to Tennessee's lawsuit. This includes Bama and UGA, but is not limited to them.

It hurts those who were breaking the NCAA rules when other teams weren't as now the other schools will be bidding on the players so they'll have more competition. That includes teams like Tennessee and Texas A&M but is not limited to them.

If you don't have an emotional tie to either school and Tennessee offers you 2 million a year and Bama says that you'll get a NIL deal based on your worth after you join the team, many would choose Tennessee.

If both Bama and Tennessee offer you 2 million, you'll likely choose Bama because frankly they are a lot better program.

That's bad for Tennessee. This isn't a complicated thing to understand. Cheating helps teams willing to cheat as those already with success are less likely to risk getting punished for cheating.

When it becomes legal, the better programs will benefit the most. Lesser programs will have to overpay for players which won't help them. The best teams will get the most bang for their buck in buying prospects.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
9955 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:23 am to
Also, talking about wealthy donors is kind of stupid since UT has like the 6th largest SEC endowment and 1/10th of Vanderbilt. The idea that schools are just going to throw all their money at this is moronic.

I guess after 26 years the fantasy that they can buy a championship is more appealing than the alternative
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 9:24 am
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:29 am to
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I read somewhere that the B10/SEC would form a 40 team league between the two conference and govern themselves. Basically having each team play 5 SEC/5 B10 teams each season guarantee 3 SEC/3 B10 teams in a 14 team playoff.

Blech.

The 5+5 would be stupid. I get tradition taking some hits in this, but going to only 5 SEC opponents a year? Idiotic.

Would make much more sense to do like 9+2. Or 10+2. I guess 5+5 assumes everyone would still get 2 cupcakes from outside the exclusive club as rent-a-wins?

And who are the 40 teams speculated to be in these 2 super conferences? Right now they are at 33 between both, which includes some lames like Rutgers and Northwestern.

7 others: ND, FSU, Clem's son, Okie State, UNC, UVA, Vatech,? Gets interesting quickly in this musical chairs game.
Posted by 404 Error
Member since Feb 2024
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:33 am to
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Your brain is charcoal
You are an idiot.
Posted by 404 Error
Member since Feb 2024
88 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:34 am to
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If both Bama and Tennessee offer you 2 million, you'll likely choose Bama because frankly they are a lot better program.
That was then, this is now.

Bama was "better" because they paid better. That is over.
Posted by 404 Error
Member since Feb 2024
88 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:42 am to
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Also, talking about wealthy donors is kind of stupid since UT has like the 6th largest SEC endowment and 1/10th of Vanderbilt. The idea that schools are just going to throw all their money at this is moronic.

I guess after 26 years the fantasy that they can buy a championship is more appealing than the alternative

It is no longer about endowments, you moron.

It is now NIL collectives. I know Florida's broke arse wants to think nothing is going to change.

That money can go straight from billionaire booster to recruit, with a brief stop at the collective.

What part of this do you not comprehend? It's pay for play now. May the thickest checkbook win.

I'll say what I said in the other thread.

Tennessee has the Haslams. Big Jim played on one of Neyland's NC teams.

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Forbes Magazine has introduced the first ranking of the nation’s decabillionaires, specifically families who are worth $10 billion or more.

The Haslam family took the 31st spot with a net worth of $14.4 billion.


Charles Ergen of Dish Network who was once listed as worth $20 billion has quietly divided his wealth up so his family doesn't pay it all out to inheritance taxes.

Min Kao, co-founder of Garmin, is worth over $5 billion, and he is not flashy about his donations, but he writes big checks.

Those are just three of their richest. There are some rich, rich people backing their NIL, and those people can pay huge salaries if needed.

It's not a fluke that they threw down $8 million on Nico.

Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4209 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:48 am to
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That was then, this is now.

Bama was "better" because they paid better. That is over.


Bama is "better" because they have a roster that won 12 games and went to the playoffs (and made the playoffs a ton).

UT doesn't have that.

Look at Ettienne's comments about leaving Florida and going to UGA. Now realize that if the money is equal, recruits are likely to choose to go to a team in the playoff hunt over one that has never made the playoffs most of the time unless they have a non-money related reason to choose the team with less success.

UGA and Bama don't need to outbid Tennessee for recruits. They just need to equal the bid. Tennessee needs to put extra money on the table to get a recruit that Bama wants. Bama just needs to match.
Posted by 404 Error
Member since Feb 2024
88 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 9:56 am to
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Bama is "better" because they have a roster that won 12 games and went to the playoffs (and made the playoffs a ton).

UT doesn't have that.
Yes, and that roster is permanent.

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Look at Ettienne's comments about leaving Florida and going to UGA. Now realize that if the money is equal, recruits are likely to choose to go to a team in the playoff hunt over one that has never made the playoffs most of the time unless they have a non-money related reason to choose the team with less success.

I doubt UGA ever loses another game.

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UGA and Bama don't need to outbid Tennessee for recruits. They just need to equal the bid. Tennessee needs to put extra money on the table to get a recruit that Bama wants. Bama just needs to match.
Once again, that was then, this is now.
Posted by LewEvansFan
Member since Mar 2023
2550 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 10:05 am to
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But as for UGA, we're going to do better with it being acceptable for all than the situation before where we were following the NIL rules and teams like Tennessee were not.


Retards gonna retard.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4209 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 10:06 am to
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Yes, and that roster is permanent.


It's self reinforcing.

Deboer may end up being a bad enough recruiter that he breaks that cycle of reinforcement and Bama's roster falls off, but it takes that kind of change to break that cycle. It's frankly less likely to happen if he doesn't need to be as good a recruiter and can just get his collectives to offer recruits big NIL deals.

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I doubt UGA ever loses another game.


UGA will lose games. But we won't miss the playoffs very often. If you look at Kirby Smart's tenure at UGA, UGA would have made the playoffs in the current 12-team setup every season other than his first at UGA. That's very likely to continue as long as he's at UGA, even in the "down" seasons. In UGA's worst season after year 1 of Smart (2020) UGA finished the regular season 8th, which is a guaranteed playoff spot.

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Once again, that was then, this is now.


The "now" is still with UGA and Bama as teams in the national title hunt and Tennessee not being there.

You're projecting a future that doesn't exist yet. Tennessee is behind UGA, Bama, Texas, OU and LSU and is on par with a few other SEC teams. You actually have to change something to move up. The NOW you exist in has you outside the top 5.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
9955 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 10:08 am to
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It is no longer about endowments, you moron.

It is now NIL collectives. I know Florida's broke arse wants to think nothing is going to change.


You really keep making accounts to get dunked on in public? Is this some sort of humiliation fetish?
Posted by LewEvansFan
Member since Mar 2023
2550 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 10:10 am to
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DawginSC


Resident retard thinks UGA and Bama weren’t offering NIL deals to recruits.
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