re: NCAA coronavirus advisory panel details how fan-free college football games are likely

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If people are afraid and fearful for their safety then they need to protect themselves and stay home. The entire country has been well educated and cautioned to the extreme and they can now for themselves how they want to live.

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We would be so much better off if everyone protected themselves while out in public. Any gun owner should understand this.

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To each his own. Protect yourself and if you are afraid, then stay home. For the life of me I can't understand why some are so concerned about the well being of random people in this country as it relates to a virus that's taking the lives of less than 1% of the population? Do these people feel the same about the lives of people killed in car accidents or drug OD's, or pedestrian deaths that happen everyday?

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5k in 8 weeks in one city would require large, not small, upticks in those categories. Thats unlikely. We know there was a large uptick in covid during this time period in this location, so it stands to reason many of these unaccounted for deaths were related to COVID, which counters a lot of the "over counting" you whine about. Point is, some are counted that shouldn't be, and some are missed that shouldn't be. For you to act like this is one sided is a bit silly.

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You keep talking about the other 5k. I don't know why they died and you don't either.

What is provable is that by design they purposely over-count. Because they count people who die with Covid as Covid deaths, even if it's not the cause of death. That is not debatable. Which is why you keep ignoring that and pointing to other deaths.

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It’s amazing to read all of the ignorant posts n this forum. Countless medical, epidemiology, public health and microbiology experts have provided consistent rationale for the precautions that have been enacted.
State health officials from both red and blue states have documented the cause of deaths in COVID patients using specific criteria. Scientific American has reported that the death rate is probably understated.
The incidence of cases and deaths only tells part of the story. There are many layers to the Corona virus disease. Many of you can’t see past your nose.
You follow the science!!

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Follow the science would be awesome, but what's going on isn't science.

It was provable from day 1 that the mortality rate was false. They only tested the people with the worst symptoms while knowing that around 80% of people who catch the virus have mild or no symptoms, do not get tested. Which would put the real mortality rate much much lower.

Where was the science then?

What part of science says that you count anyone who has Covid when they die as being a covid death, even if it was some other reason for them dying?

That's not science driven, that's agenda driven. Learn the difference. Actual science and math proves it wrong.

And hell, I didn't even hit on how absurd it is/was to compare it to the 1918 Spanish Flu.

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DJ is a fear spreader and fact denier. Go read his stuff on the GSB. Get a good laugh

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Yeah, he's been doing it here the entire time also. Was previously claiming 500k deaths and all kinds of stuff.

It's pretty obvious he's only interested in using the topic for political purposes and has no interest in what might actually be the best way to deal with things.

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is a fear spreader and fact denier. Go read his stuff on the GSB. Get a good laugh

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You have yet to ever be able to refute a point of mine, so this post goes right along with the rest of your trash posts.

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lot more info? It's simple math.

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I am talking about details of the cases they speak of. Some of the revisions could be full of BS being done to make things appear better than they have been. Perhaps their intentions are just as nefarious as yours seem to be.

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How the hell can a test result come back positive when the kit was never removed from the casing and was simply returned completely un-touched?

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Uh, because the tests assume the sample has been collected appropriately?

It sounds like the person you know probably shouldn’t be working the nursing home.

Even when this all started it was well known that collecting samples incorrectly caused inaccurate test results.

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You keep talking about the other 5k. I don't know why they died and you don't either.

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Use some common sense and think it through:

Massive increase in death unaccounted for + covid outbreak = lots of covid death unaccounted for.

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Use some common sense and think it through:

Massive increase in death unaccounted for + covid outbreak = lots of covid death unaccounted for.

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In an area where they already have a higher count per capita than anywhere else. While other states are starting to expose the flawed counting method.

Of course, in order to make these assumptions that they are covid deaths, we have to also assume the lockdown doesn't in itself have negative effects.

There are 8.3 million people who live in NYC alone. 5k makes up 0.06% of the population.

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When asked about the statement at the county’s daily press briefing Wednesday, Public Health Officer Dr. Wilma Wooten took issue with Desmond’s characterization concerning those with underlying health conditions who have died from COVID-19.

“Their life is no less valuable than someone’s life who does not have underlying medical conditions,” she said. “This is not just San Diego. This is how this is done throughout the entire nation in terms of identifying who has died of COVID-19.”

Yet you only quoted the last part.

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The pattern is "all states/entire nation are doing it this way" which is why I quoted the last part. Sounds like college fans justifying their cheating.

That means they are counting people who die with covid as covid deaths, even if there are other factors which are much bigger contributors.

The part I didn't quote is just someone being stupid. As if not identifying them as a Covid death means their life is less valuable. That's just plain ignorant. I guess by that dumb logic, all the other 800k people who died in the past months weren't valuable since they didn't have Covid.

Sounds like for some reason she only see's value in Covid deaths.