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re: Mythical National Championship?
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:40 pm to BIG DADDY 73
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:40 pm to BIG DADDY 73
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They were all real.
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Alabama Fan
Of course they were...
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:42 pm to crimsonsaint
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You LSU fans won't dispute that right?
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:42 pm to weagle99
weagle
Go suck another bag of dang-a-langs.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:43 pm to USMC Gators
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You can't really discount the BCS titles because that's the system that everyone agreed to play under with a specific trophy that they agreed to play for.
And?
It was no different than the titles award by the AP, Coaches Poll, FWAA, etc. They all "agreed" to play for them back in the day...
The BCS system was nothing more than a system to generate revenue from CFB in the major bowl games, it was very successful, if it was a true system in determining the best, there wouldn't been AQs, just the top 8-10 schools getting in regardless of what conference they were from to narrow it down to an idea of who was the top 4-5 at the end of the year...
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:45 pm to BIG DADDY 73
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:46 pm to DaleDenton
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It was no different than the titles award by the AP, Coaches Poll, FWAA, etc. They all "agreed" to play for them back in the day...
THIS
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:50 pm to DaleDenton
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It was no different than the titles award by the AP, Coaches Poll, FWAA, etc. They all "agreed" to play for them back in the day...
From the Hog of Hogs.....1964 belongs to...
wait for it
Alabama
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:52 pm to DaleDenton
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It was no different than the titles award by the AP, Coaches Poll, FWAA, etc. They all "agreed" to play for them back in the day...
No they didn't.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:52 pm to dkreller
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quote:It was no different than the titles award by the AP, Coaches Poll, FWAA, etc. They all "agreed" to play for them back in the day... From the Hog of Hogs.....1964 belongs to... wait for it Alabama
ROLL TIDE BABY
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:55 pm to BIG DADDY 73
Pre Bowl alliance titles can't be looked at the same way as a Bowl Alliance/BCS title except like a 1979 when the team is undefeated and untied and there is no real doubt at the end of the year at all.
Similarly, in time pre-playoff titles will not be looked at the same way.
Similarly, in time pre-playoff titles will not be looked at the same way.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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However, in 100 years people will look at the pre-playoff titles the way we look at poll era basketball titles.
The way they will determine one through four will be a disaster. This Will be infinitely worse than the BCS. We are going from hundreds of opinions to a few all with agendas. This will suck. Remember where you heard it first.t
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
DS, how do you look at yalls 1958 title? Real or mythical? seriously
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:03 pm to labamafan
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The way they will determine one through four will be a disaster. This Will be infinitely worse than the BCS. We are going from hundreds of opinions to a few all with agendas. This will suck. Remember where you heard it first.t
Why are those people opposed to just using the top 4 in the BCS Standings to determine the playoff teams? This committee thing is just a terrible idea all the way around.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:12 pm to Bench McElroy
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Why are those people opposed to just using the top 4 in the BCS Standings to determine the playoff teams?
Because then they can't guarantee that team's from.the big east or whatever craptastic conf get a shot. It's called an agenda. The sec being this dominant has led to this. Does anyone remember this much whining when USC, OH St and Miami were in it every year.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:33 pm to labamafan
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Does anyone remember this much whining when USC, OH St and Miami were in it every year.
Preach.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:53 pm to ForeverGator
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With the new college football playoff, will we have an actual NCAA champ now in football?
The NCAA would have to be asked by university presidents to oversee post-season games in order for it to be considered an NCAA championship. The major drawback to this is seen in March Madness. The tournament would be watered down and the payout for participating schools/conferences would be significantly reduced. I'd imagine if the hoops powers foresaw (back in the 40's) the financial boon that men's basketball would become they would never have went down that road.
The BCS agreement signed beginning 1998 is as close as it will ever come to 'official'. All FBS schools agreed through appropriate representatives regardless of the complaints by fans/coaches/school officials of the 'system'...they all put their name on the line. The 2014 College Football Playoff is no more legitimate, the only difference being the selection process, and two teams going to four teams...it's still the same deal and it's still the same powers that be.
As far as national perception, I'd imagine the 'playoff' process will be seen as legitimate...or more so anyhow. But it's just perception, nothing more.
I'm fairly confident in my answer but any facts rebuttal is welcome...I'd like to have it right.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 12:58 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:So, you would claim all 4 of LSU's.
Pre Bowl alliance titles can't be looked at the same way as a Bowl Alliance/BCS title except like a 1979 when the team is undefeated and untied and there is no real doubt at the end of the year at all.
Louisiana State
Undefeated and Untied Seasons (Min 8 games)
No Year Coach Win Loss Tie
1. 1908 Edgar R. Wingard 10/0/0 (pre BCS)
2. 1958 Paul Dietzel 11/0/0 (pre BCS)
3. 2003 Nick Saban 13/1/0 (BCS so ok to have lost a game)
4. 2007 Les Miles 12/2/0 (BCS so ok to have lost 2 games)
Alabama
Undefeated and Untied Seasons (Min 8 games)
No Year Coach Win Loss Tie
1. 1925 Wallace Wade 10/0/0 (pre BCS; claimed)
2. 1930 Wallace Wade 10/0/0 (pre BCS; claimed)
3. 1934 Frank Thomas 10/0/0 (pre BCS; claimed)
4. 1945 Frank Thomas 10/0/0 (pre BCS; unclaimed)
5. 1961 Paul W. Bryant 11/0/0 (pre BCS; claimed)
6. 1966 Paul W. Bryant 11/0/0 (pre BCS; unclaimed)
7. 1979 Paul W. Bryant 12/0/0 (pre BCS; claimed)
8. 1992 Gene Stallings 13/0/0 (BCS & unbeaten)
9. 2009 Nick Saban 14/0/0 (BCS & unbeaten)
10. 2011 Nick Saban 12/1/0 (BCS so ok to have lost a game)
11. 2012 Nick Saban 13/1/0 (BCS so ok to have lost a game)
So, does this look good to you.
Did find out that Bama and ND are tied for the most undefeated/untied seasons with 9 apiece.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:25 am to ForeverGator
Well, the NCAA will not officially crown a champion, so there still won't be an 'official' champion, however the days of debate will be long over. Heck they have been for some time.
Since the BCS era (1998) there's only been 1 "split" title and that took ridiculous circumstances and they changed the rules drastically afterwards.
Since the BCS era (1998) there's only been 1 "split" title and that took ridiculous circumstances and they changed the rules drastically afterwards.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:45 am to IAmReality
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Since the BCS era (1998) there's only been 1 "split" title and that took ridiculous circumstances and they changed the rules drastically afterwards.
The possibility has always been there, the AP split off and has been crowning their own champions since the year you are talking about, SC and Ohio State could have been crowned as NCs the years they were on sanctions, Kiffin was in the media talking about playing for the AP NC the years SC wasn't eligible for a bowl game for example.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:02 pm to DaleDenton
Is this another thread to debate Alabama's national titles?
I bet we all come to a consensus this time.
I bet we all come to a consensus this time.
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