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Most weeks spent in the CFP Poll since inception + SEC Review...
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:49 am
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:49 am
Tiebreaker is first, amount of appearances in the playoff, if that is same or no one in the tied group has a playoff appearance, the next tie breaker is highest ranking.
National rank. Team(#of weeks in t25)(highest rank)
1. Alabama (31) (#1)
5. LSU (27) (#2)
7. Mississippi State (22) (#1)
10. Auburn (20) (#2)
12. Georgia (19) (#1)
21. Florida (17) (#8)
27. Ole Miss (12) (#4)
32. Texas A&M (9) (#4)
47. Kentucky (6) (#9)
52. Missouri (6) (#16)
53. Tennessee (6) (#17)
65. South Carolina (1) (#24)
67. Arkansas (1) (#25)
NR. Vanderbilt (0) (NR)
Takeaways/thoughts-
-Obviously Mississippi State kinda jumps off the paper at 7th most in the country and 3rd in the SEC. I think we will be in a position to be ranked in the CFP top 25 every week this year, because of the way our schedule is set up. If we are ranked in the top 25 the 1st week it comes out, we will be ranked every week for the rest of the season. Really good look for State being in the top 10 on this list, imo. Shows consistency, and if Moorehead can continue the consistency this year with a 8-9 win season I think it will say a lot about what our program has become. Many thanks to Mullen and what he did for us, I’ll always hate him, but always love him. A lot of people still see act like state is the doormat and joke of a program that we used to be 15 years ago, and that’s just bc ignorance and it makes people feel better about themselves to put down others. Fact is our program has elevated over the past decade, we have been consistent, 10 straight bowl games, consistent top 25 recruiting classes, a great atmosphere at our stadium that I never would’ve dreamed of 15 years ago, and have slowly but surely changed our national image from laughing stock to respectable top 25 program. Perceptions don’t change over night, it takes years, a decade, even more. We took no shortcuts, and it has paid off. Regardless of any shite talking anyone can throw out there about State, we are now a top 20 program in the country, and if you tell me that’s false you are lying or not paying attention. Yes, we lost three 1st rounders off our #1 defense in the country last year, so most say, oh they are gonna suck, but that’s just uneducated guesses, we will have one of the best back 7’s in the SEC and Country, we will have good to great Defensive Ends, with the only question being interior DL, and our offense will be 2-3 times better than what it was last year. Vegas agrees, we will be an 8-9 win team this year, with an outside shot at 10 if things roll our way. We are going to be a very good team.
-Texas A&M has only been ranked in 9 of the 31 CFP polls. They want to be a powerhouse/blue blood so bad, yes the resources are there but they are just simply an average football program right now, Jimbo could turn it around and push them up to an elite level, but I think that happening is far from a foregone conclusion, like most Aggie’s wholeheartedly believe(some if not a large percentage think they are already there, lol). State has beat them 4 out of the last 5 years, and owns the all time record, yet A&M sees themselves multiple tiers above State, like closer to Bama/Clemson than State, the fact is, they are below State, atleast for now. Like I said, the resources are there, but I’m not gonna give them the respect of an elite program until they are an elite program. Jimbo might do it, he might not, just take a look at where he left FSU, easy to forget that huh? Mainly, I just hate A&M and their self inflated ego’s, sure love beating them tho. This year should tell a lot about where Jimbo is taking this program, it’s a coin toss imo, could elevate, could crash. Sleeping giant for sure, but I’m not gonna believe that Giant is awake until I see it for myself.
-Bama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia about where you would expect them to be, Georgia will keep climbing this chart over the next few years, but for right now, Auburn and LSU have just had better programs over the last 10-15 years imo. However, Georgia has passed them in the last year or two, and there aren’t many scenarios I see out there where they won’t continue to separate themselves from Auburn and LSU.
LSU and Auburn are both at tipping points imo, Malzahn has shown he knows how to win at the highest level, but he has also shown that he knows how to lose at the lowest level. Auburn’s programs ability, history and fan base is too good, and their recruiting profile is too high to have an inconsistent program. They expect to be perennial 9-10 win teams, and malzahn is a 7-8 win guy on average. They need to start working back channels now and find the right guy to make them consistent CFP contenders, bc this is Malzahns last year, it’s gonna be a tough season. Freshman QB isn’t gonna work out, they have a tough first 5-6 games, if they start of 3-3 or worst, Malzahn will be all but gone and the season will snowball out of control. However, this is prob the year that Auburn and Malzahn pull an 11 win season out of their arse, jk, kinda.
Coach O is Coach O. Yaw yaw, recruit recruit, can’t coach can’t coach. I kinda like the guy, LSU can just do so much better. He has continued to do just enough to keep his job, that’s just not a good situation for a proud fan base, does any LSU fan truly believe that O is the guy that is gonna out coach Saban and beat Bama, then out coach Smart and beat UGA in the SECCG and then win 2 playoff games to bring home the National Championship, if they answer is no, then they need to get rid of him and atleast find someone who has a great offensive mind and can actually beat someone by out-coaching them instead of out-athleting them. LSU is gonna recruit itself bc if history and talent in Louisiana, no need to have an idiot coach who is an elite recruiter as a head coach, not at LSU. They won’t take the next step until they get the right coach. O will continue to get 9 wins or so per year and lose to Bama, how much longer can the fans put up with it?
-Florida should be right there with LSU and Auburn but they have had a bad year here and there over the last decade or so, I think there program is just a tiny notch below LSU and Auburn right now, but that gap is getting smaller and smaller. Mullen will take advantage of being able to play UT, Kentucky, USC, Mizzou, and Vandy every year, and get 8-10 regular season wins every year, and get 10-11 wins every 4-5 years or so, basically what he did at State but a 1-2 win higher ceiling and a 1-2 win lower floor. We will see how long Gator fans and boosters will put up with perennial top 15 or so recruiting classes, 2nd in the East, and no SEC titles or CFP appearances. He will make a great and consistent top 10-15 program that will have a chance to make the playoff every 5 years or so, but I don’t see him and his program bringing home any SEC or national championship rings, atleast not as long as Smart and Saban are in the SEC. I give him 6-7 years at UF before things grow stale and he takes a lower pressure job somewhere in the North East or possibly out west.
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Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:51 am to holdmydak
Part II
-Ole Miss got some good recruits, had some splashy wins against Bama, Katy Perry in the grove, and were recruiting dirtier than anyone else in the SEC, by a long shot(yes everyone cheats but you gotta know when it’s too much, and you gotta have the guys in charge, in charge. Boosters were doing what they wanted and coaches and AD allowed it while not monitoring it = stupid). Regardless of how they got the players, they had some good teams and even better individual talent(although they didn’t develop, see NFL track record for rebs over past 6 years or so). 12 weeks in the poll, if I had to guess, probably 9 out of those 12 weeks they played games that were vacated, but you can’t vacate a ranking. It was fun when they were #4 and State was #1, crazy crazy year. If they get a good, responsible, mature AD, and hire a program builder that can coach and recruit at a top 20-25 level, they will be back to the middle of the pack in the SEC in 3-4 years. If they hire another look the other way and then lie to the press AD(wtf were you thinking A&M, geez) who hires another recruiter as a Head Coach, they could be in a lot of trouble as a program. They need to do it right and make a foundation for atleast a decade before letting recruits name the price and the Network write the check again. There is enough talent in MS and 100 mile from Ms in every direction to allow State and OM to be 7-9 win teams every year, just gotta have a coach that can develop the talent, bc it’s usually raw but super talented from the MS kids.
-Kentucky, Missouri and Tennessee all are about on the same level imo, and that holds true looking at the rankings, as they each have been in the CFP poll 6 of the 31 weeks. Kentucky is gonna struggle a bit this year but I see 7 wins, Mizzou’s schedule is easiest in modern SEC history, they could win 8 and be a below average P5 team, easily.
Tennessee is gonna have an interesting year, this is kinda the shite or get off the pot year for them and Pruitt imo. I could see the season going 2 ways, they take a step towards being somewhat relevant this year and get 7-8 wins while being competitive in their losses against better programs or it could fall apart. They have been one of the worst P5 programs over the last decade or more now. They scream Big 6, but I can promise no one is scared of you, and I as a State fan fully expect to walk out of Knoxville with a win. I’ll be watching UT, this could be the year they gain a little respect for the first time in a decade, if they tank, the program may just be dead. I have reasons why they will never be what they once were but don’t feel like getting into it here. This is the year that they could change their perception, will be interesting to watch for sure.
Mizzou has the same problems Arkansas has, poor recruiting base, not a good enough recent history to be able to pull blue chips from out of state. I kinda like Odom at Mizzou, but I think for them to thrive they need to get a offensive guru as a head coach who runs a developmental program, similiar to Mullen @ MSU. Your offensive philosophy should be the identity of your program, but your defensive philosophy, defensive philosophy is easy to adopt year to year with new DC’s, but installing an offense into a program can take 3-4 years.
I say all this, but then look at Stoops, who is doing at Kentucky what Mullen did at State, just not quite at the same level or for as long, but similar program archs. I like stoops but lean years roster wise(like Kentucky is about to experience this year) are easier to mask with a engrained and offensive identity than defensive. I hope they can get 7 wins this year and I feel like they will, their program is in that top 30-35 range right now, 7 wins in a lean year will go a long way to pushing them into that top 25-30 range.
Mizzou and Kentucky have lower ceilings than UT, but their programs are in a better place right now. Will be interesting to see where these 3 middle of the pack SEC east teams stand in 3-4 years. If I had to guess I would say UT, Kentucky, Mizzou, but I could just as easily see Kentucky, Mizzou, UT if the Pruitt and Fat Phil combo experiment doesn’t work out. Mizzou is just kinda the definition of middle of the pack to me, they will have the occasional 8-9 win season, to go along with the occasional 3-4 win season, but most of the time sit between 5-7, which is OK for them.
-South Carolina only being ranked one week, and as #24 really kinda shocked me. I didn’t realize they have been so bad over the past 6-7 years. You don’t have to be that great of a team to be in the top 25, you just gotta win all your non conference games and go .500 in the SEC. Hell, State has been ranked in 22 of the 31 polls, USC only 1. That is just shocking to me, especially considering they are in the SEC East, yeah I get that they play Clemson every year, but it’s the last week and a loss against a top 3 team won’t knock you out of the top 25. They just haven’t been a good team for a while now, ever since the Ole Ball Coach left, and I’m just not sure if Muschamp is the answer, I mean he is alright but not a guy that is gonna take them to the next level. They have tough schedule this year, if they can get 7-8 wins it will be a nice step towards getting back into being a respectable program.
-Arkansas has been so god awful over the last 6 years, there just isn’t much to say. I think they go 0-8 this year in the SEC. I think they were going for a Freeze type hire with Morris, an offensive guy that is a recruiter first. He has just not impressed me whatsoever, there program was a mess last year, they recruited how an SEC team should last year, and I hate to be that guy, but I think they are dishing out cash similar to but not quite what Ole Miss was doing. They just have to go out of state for everyone tho, no talent in state, no recent history of winning, middle of nowhere location wise(although beautiful, love fayetville) it all just adds up to a bad equation, where they have to basically blatantly cheat to get the recruits to compete with the rest of the West. In the end tho you gotta win games, which Freeze did, not sure if Chad can do it, I’m just not impressed but I could be wrong. If the Morris experiment tanks, their program could fall to a level that is almost impossible to recover from without a institution wise reboot and decade long rebuild. They are gonna be the worse in the SEC this year, by far.
-Vandy, well they try, right? I like Derek Mason, I really like him. Honestly I think he is a perfect fit for Vandy and they should hold on to him. Bc of their recruiting disadvantages, they are just going to always have 3-4 win seasons occasionally, no need to fire someone who has built a program there for having an inevitably bad season. Just let him be your guy, hope for 6 wins most seasons, enjoy the bowls and occasionally whooping up on UT and OM and the 8 win season every 5-7 years or so. They will never be anything but Vandy, and I say that with no disrespect. They are just unlike the other 13 teams by a long shot. Fan base and recruiting profile just doesn’t allow them to raise their ceiling. Keep your guy, enjoy the highs, endure the lows. Grass is hardly ever greener in these situations.
Gonna be an interesting year in the SEC, lots of questions marks and tipping points for a lot of teams. The only thing I know for sure, Bama and Geogia will be #1 and #2 in the SEC and Ole Miss and Arkansas will be #6 and #7 in the SEC West.
-Ole Miss got some good recruits, had some splashy wins against Bama, Katy Perry in the grove, and were recruiting dirtier than anyone else in the SEC, by a long shot(yes everyone cheats but you gotta know when it’s too much, and you gotta have the guys in charge, in charge. Boosters were doing what they wanted and coaches and AD allowed it while not monitoring it = stupid). Regardless of how they got the players, they had some good teams and even better individual talent(although they didn’t develop, see NFL track record for rebs over past 6 years or so). 12 weeks in the poll, if I had to guess, probably 9 out of those 12 weeks they played games that were vacated, but you can’t vacate a ranking. It was fun when they were #4 and State was #1, crazy crazy year. If they get a good, responsible, mature AD, and hire a program builder that can coach and recruit at a top 20-25 level, they will be back to the middle of the pack in the SEC in 3-4 years. If they hire another look the other way and then lie to the press AD(wtf were you thinking A&M, geez) who hires another recruiter as a Head Coach, they could be in a lot of trouble as a program. They need to do it right and make a foundation for atleast a decade before letting recruits name the price and the Network write the check again. There is enough talent in MS and 100 mile from Ms in every direction to allow State and OM to be 7-9 win teams every year, just gotta have a coach that can develop the talent, bc it’s usually raw but super talented from the MS kids.
-Kentucky, Missouri and Tennessee all are about on the same level imo, and that holds true looking at the rankings, as they each have been in the CFP poll 6 of the 31 weeks. Kentucky is gonna struggle a bit this year but I see 7 wins, Mizzou’s schedule is easiest in modern SEC history, they could win 8 and be a below average P5 team, easily.
Tennessee is gonna have an interesting year, this is kinda the shite or get off the pot year for them and Pruitt imo. I could see the season going 2 ways, they take a step towards being somewhat relevant this year and get 7-8 wins while being competitive in their losses against better programs or it could fall apart. They have been one of the worst P5 programs over the last decade or more now. They scream Big 6, but I can promise no one is scared of you, and I as a State fan fully expect to walk out of Knoxville with a win. I’ll be watching UT, this could be the year they gain a little respect for the first time in a decade, if they tank, the program may just be dead. I have reasons why they will never be what they once were but don’t feel like getting into it here. This is the year that they could change their perception, will be interesting to watch for sure.
Mizzou has the same problems Arkansas has, poor recruiting base, not a good enough recent history to be able to pull blue chips from out of state. I kinda like Odom at Mizzou, but I think for them to thrive they need to get a offensive guru as a head coach who runs a developmental program, similiar to Mullen @ MSU. Your offensive philosophy should be the identity of your program, but your defensive philosophy, defensive philosophy is easy to adopt year to year with new DC’s, but installing an offense into a program can take 3-4 years.
I say all this, but then look at Stoops, who is doing at Kentucky what Mullen did at State, just not quite at the same level or for as long, but similar program archs. I like stoops but lean years roster wise(like Kentucky is about to experience this year) are easier to mask with a engrained and offensive identity than defensive. I hope they can get 7 wins this year and I feel like they will, their program is in that top 30-35 range right now, 7 wins in a lean year will go a long way to pushing them into that top 25-30 range.
Mizzou and Kentucky have lower ceilings than UT, but their programs are in a better place right now. Will be interesting to see where these 3 middle of the pack SEC east teams stand in 3-4 years. If I had to guess I would say UT, Kentucky, Mizzou, but I could just as easily see Kentucky, Mizzou, UT if the Pruitt and Fat Phil combo experiment doesn’t work out. Mizzou is just kinda the definition of middle of the pack to me, they will have the occasional 8-9 win season, to go along with the occasional 3-4 win season, but most of the time sit between 5-7, which is OK for them.
-South Carolina only being ranked one week, and as #24 really kinda shocked me. I didn’t realize they have been so bad over the past 6-7 years. You don’t have to be that great of a team to be in the top 25, you just gotta win all your non conference games and go .500 in the SEC. Hell, State has been ranked in 22 of the 31 polls, USC only 1. That is just shocking to me, especially considering they are in the SEC East, yeah I get that they play Clemson every year, but it’s the last week and a loss against a top 3 team won’t knock you out of the top 25. They just haven’t been a good team for a while now, ever since the Ole Ball Coach left, and I’m just not sure if Muschamp is the answer, I mean he is alright but not a guy that is gonna take them to the next level. They have tough schedule this year, if they can get 7-8 wins it will be a nice step towards getting back into being a respectable program.
-Arkansas has been so god awful over the last 6 years, there just isn’t much to say. I think they go 0-8 this year in the SEC. I think they were going for a Freeze type hire with Morris, an offensive guy that is a recruiter first. He has just not impressed me whatsoever, there program was a mess last year, they recruited how an SEC team should last year, and I hate to be that guy, but I think they are dishing out cash similar to but not quite what Ole Miss was doing. They just have to go out of state for everyone tho, no talent in state, no recent history of winning, middle of nowhere location wise(although beautiful, love fayetville) it all just adds up to a bad equation, where they have to basically blatantly cheat to get the recruits to compete with the rest of the West. In the end tho you gotta win games, which Freeze did, not sure if Chad can do it, I’m just not impressed but I could be wrong. If the Morris experiment tanks, their program could fall to a level that is almost impossible to recover from without a institution wise reboot and decade long rebuild. They are gonna be the worse in the SEC this year, by far.
-Vandy, well they try, right? I like Derek Mason, I really like him. Honestly I think he is a perfect fit for Vandy and they should hold on to him. Bc of their recruiting disadvantages, they are just going to always have 3-4 win seasons occasionally, no need to fire someone who has built a program there for having an inevitably bad season. Just let him be your guy, hope for 6 wins most seasons, enjoy the bowls and occasionally whooping up on UT and OM and the 8 win season every 5-7 years or so. They will never be anything but Vandy, and I say that with no disrespect. They are just unlike the other 13 teams by a long shot. Fan base and recruiting profile just doesn’t allow them to raise their ceiling. Keep your guy, enjoy the highs, endure the lows. Grass is hardly ever greener in these situations.
Gonna be an interesting year in the SEC, lots of questions marks and tipping points for a lot of teams. The only thing I know for sure, Bama and Geogia will be #1 and #2 in the SEC and Ole Miss and Arkansas will be #6 and #7 in the SEC West.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:55 am to holdmydak
Thanks for taking the time to do the write up. I’ll read it on the crapper tomorrow. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that it’s an actual opinion piece based on the data provided and not a 16 year olds awful attempt at being funny on the internet. A nod to the rant of yesteryear.
Two things jump out to me here. Dan Mullen is a hell of a football coach, and there’s been a lot of underachievement at the top from the rest of the “big 6”. That’s a lot of appearances from several schools without reaching the playoffs.
Withholding judgement on A&M until they’ve had a few years under Jimbo. Sumlin is a pretty bad football coach and Jimbo is the only other guy in the conference with the big trophy
Two things jump out to me here. Dan Mullen is a hell of a football coach, and there’s been a lot of underachievement at the top from the rest of the “big 6”. That’s a lot of appearances from several schools without reaching the playoffs.
Withholding judgement on A&M until they’ve had a few years under Jimbo. Sumlin is a pretty bad football coach and Jimbo is the only other guy in the conference with the big trophy
This post was edited on 7/26/19 at 3:01 am
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:59 am to holdmydak
Notes from the rankings in a SEC wide scale:
-13 of 14 SEC teams have been in the College Football Playoff Poll Top 25 for atleast 1 week. Vandy being the odd man out. That’s pretty impressive imo. Would like to see percentages for other conferences.
-9 of 14 SEC teams have been ranked in the top 10 of the CFP poll
-All 7 SEC West teams have been in the poll. What’s more impressive, 6 of the 7 SEC West teams have been in the top 4 of the CFP poll at some point since its inception, with Arkansas being the odd man out.
-4 of the 7 SEC West teams have been ranked in the top 2 of the CFP poll, that included Bama, Auburn, LSU and State.
-Only 4 teams have held the #1 spot in the CFP poll, and 3 of them are from the SEC, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi State, with Clemson being the 4th.
-13 of 14 SEC teams have been in the College Football Playoff Poll Top 25 for atleast 1 week. Vandy being the odd man out. That’s pretty impressive imo. Would like to see percentages for other conferences.
-9 of 14 SEC teams have been ranked in the top 10 of the CFP poll
-All 7 SEC West teams have been in the poll. What’s more impressive, 6 of the 7 SEC West teams have been in the top 4 of the CFP poll at some point since its inception, with Arkansas being the odd man out.
-4 of the 7 SEC West teams have been ranked in the top 2 of the CFP poll, that included Bama, Auburn, LSU and State.
-Only 4 teams have held the #1 spot in the CFP poll, and 3 of them are from the SEC, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi State, with Clemson being the 4th.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:02 am to holdmydak
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Texas A&M has only been ranked in 9 of the 31 CFP polls. They want to be a powerhouse/blue blood so bad, yes the resources are there but they are just simply an average football program right now, Jimbo could turn it around and push them up to an elite level, but I think that happening is far from a foregone conclusion, like most Aggie’s wholeheartedly believe(some if not a large percentage think they are already there, lol). State has beat them 4 out of the last 5 years, and owns the all time record, yet A&M sees themselves multiple tiers above State, like closer to Bama/Clemson than State, the fact is, they are below State, atleast for now. Like I said, the resources are there, but I’m not gonna give them the respect of an elite program until they are an elite program. Jimbo might do it, he might not, just take a look at where he left FSU, easy to forget that huh? Mainly, I just hate A&M and their self inflated ego’s, sure love beating them tho. This year should tell a lot about where Jimbo is taking this program, it’s a coin toss imo, could elevate, could crash. Sleeping giant for sure, but I’m not gonna believe that Giant is awake until I see it for myself.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:13 am to holdmydak
Looks like Mississippi State is the 7th best program in all of college football in the modern era and everyone that follows the sport can see how much better they are than programs like Georgia, Notre Dame, and USC. In fact in a lot of ways Mississippi State is the new Florida State. Great to see them take their place.
And it is no surprise that MSU is a much better program than Auburn all around
And it is no surprise that MSU is a much better program than Auburn all around
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:17 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I would say Dan Mullen is a hell of a program builder and play designer. Jury is still out if he is a hell of a coach. I think he was just the right guy for MSU at the right time(right as the SECN money started pouring in and the playing fields began to level out, to an extent). He chose to build a program through development, identity, and hard work. Couple that with an influx of money for recruiting, player development, and facilities, and no pressure to win immediately or honestly ever win big, and you have what is a perfect storm that pulled MSU out of the cellar, maybe forever. For that i am forever grateful to Dan, he knows how to build a program, he’s like the football coach version of the Profit on CNBC, lol.
He is definitely a good coach, not sure if great. He made some questionably in game decisions, more often than you would think actually, especially for an offense that was seemingly so simple. He isn’t the best recruiter(on paper) but he will get his guys and develop them into what he needs them to be(if the UF athletic department allows him to do it his way, they may want more cruitin stars than he is going to bring in doing it his way). It’s gonna be interesting to watch how he does there. I know for a fact that he could make Florida one of the most consistent Programs in the country, with one of the highest floors in the country. But when you are going against the big boys developed talent just can’t quite hold up against a 2 deep filled with 5 stars. If Dan were at Florida for 10 years, I would say he would average 9.5 wins per regular season, will that be enough to keep the gator nation happy? I don’t think so, unless he pulls a national championship out of his arse.
Great eye for raw talent and potential
Great developer of athletes
Great scheme and great at simplifying it
Great program builder
Poor to below average recruiter
Average in-game coach
Poor to average boss as a HC to his assistants
He’s good, just not sure if great, although I would not be surprised whatsoever if he proved me wrong. I think in 2 years he will have Florida as the clear cut #3 team in the SEC behind UGA and Bama, but that will always be his ceiling.
He is definitely a good coach, not sure if great. He made some questionably in game decisions, more often than you would think actually, especially for an offense that was seemingly so simple. He isn’t the best recruiter(on paper) but he will get his guys and develop them into what he needs them to be(if the UF athletic department allows him to do it his way, they may want more cruitin stars than he is going to bring in doing it his way). It’s gonna be interesting to watch how he does there. I know for a fact that he could make Florida one of the most consistent Programs in the country, with one of the highest floors in the country. But when you are going against the big boys developed talent just can’t quite hold up against a 2 deep filled with 5 stars. If Dan were at Florida for 10 years, I would say he would average 9.5 wins per regular season, will that be enough to keep the gator nation happy? I don’t think so, unless he pulls a national championship out of his arse.
Great eye for raw talent and potential
Great developer of athletes
Great scheme and great at simplifying it
Great program builder
Poor to below average recruiter
Average in-game coach
Poor to average boss as a HC to his assistants
He’s good, just not sure if great, although I would not be surprised whatsoever if he proved me wrong. I think in 2 years he will have Florida as the clear cut #3 team in the SEC behind UGA and Bama, but that will always be his ceiling.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:28 am to TeLeFaWx
I don’t think about you, I just have to see you here on the rant, or on Twitter, and that one time a year we play. It just always feels like the guy who sits on the bench but always tells people that he should be a starter, and tries to make(begs) all the starters to agree with him. Idk, I’m sure individually you are all great people, so I don’t hate you. I just hate the way y’all think you are something you are not, atleast not yet, and constantly yearn for others to agree with you and/or tell you how nice your stadium is or how much money your athletic department is or what a sleeping giant you are or how good your program is/should be. It’s kinda like Ole Miss, but atleast with a reason, on paper/hypothetically, for acting that way.
For now you are still at the children’s table, sorry. Win something, or atleast have an all time winning record against MSU and then maybe you can think about stepping up to the grown up table.
Yes, historically, MSU has been the captain of the kiddie table, but we have grown up a lot over the last 10 years, also, not gay, so...
For now you are still at the children’s table, sorry. Win something, or atleast have an all time winning record against MSU and then maybe you can think about stepping up to the grown up table.
Yes, historically, MSU has been the captain of the kiddie table, but we have grown up a lot over the last 10 years, also, not gay, so...
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:30 am to holdmydak
That's a lot of words for not thinking about us.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:33 am to TeLeFaWx
Mississippi State has a much better football program than Texas A&M has. Texas A&M has become more of a good scrimmage in recent years to prepare for SEC Teams that are much tougher like Kentucky.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:38 am to The Winner
Ahh, and just like that the thread has devolved into a shitty thread before most people are up for the day. I had high hopes for this one
You just predicted A&M to beat State this year in another thread lad.
You just predicted A&M to beat State this year in another thread lad.
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Posted on 7/26/19 at 5:19 am to holdmydak
The Big-6 phenomenon always reappears in every sort of ranki... wait, is that Miss State?
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1. Alabama (31) (#1)
5. LSU (27) (#2)
7. Mississippi State (22) (#1)
10. Auburn (20) (#2)
12. Georgia (19) (#1)
21. Florida (17) (#8)
Posted on 7/26/19 at 5:31 am to Riseupfromtherubble
It’s a shame that the Aggie reads 10,000 words and only sees 3 of the words, gets butt hurt but then blushes because someone is thinking about them and they hate us cuz they anus.
FWIW, on the field I think the Texas A&M vs MSU game is gonna be a good one, yes we have beat them 4 out of last 5 but that doesn’t give us an advantage by any means, new year new teams. As of now I would say TAMU has a 55% chance to win and State has a 45% chance, if it was in Starkville I would say 55% State and 45% A&M. If they are gonna beat us they are gonna have to win the game on the ground between the tackles. If they can’t get the inside run going we will win, period. With that said I do think they will have some success up the middle, and I think State will put up some points too. It’s gonna be a good game, I’d say like a 27-24 type game. I think the winner of this game has a 9+ win season, the loser will have 8. Two top 25 teams from start to finish.
FWIW, on the field I think the Texas A&M vs MSU game is gonna be a good one, yes we have beat them 4 out of last 5 but that doesn’t give us an advantage by any means, new year new teams. As of now I would say TAMU has a 55% chance to win and State has a 45% chance, if it was in Starkville I would say 55% State and 45% A&M. If they are gonna beat us they are gonna have to win the game on the ground between the tackles. If they can’t get the inside run going we will win, period. With that said I do think they will have some success up the middle, and I think State will put up some points too. It’s gonna be a good game, I’d say like a 27-24 type game. I think the winner of this game has a 9+ win season, the loser will have 8. Two top 25 teams from start to finish.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 6:12 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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The Big-6 phenomenon always reappears in every sort of ranki... wait, is that Miss State?
We are in the process of preparing to take 10RC's seat at the table, soon I hope.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 6:12 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Holdmydak: You need to go rewatch the LSU-Ga game. Georgia was out schemed, out coached, out played. Smart looked like a deer caught in the head lights.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 6:50 am to AtlantaLSUfan
Someone has to take Tennessee’s spot after their retirement from relevance. Aggies would tell you they are already in the big 6, but they have to win something first. Hey, atleast State has been to the SEC championship game and a NY6 bowl. Over the past decade Bama, UGA, LSU, Auburn and Florida have fulfilled their requirements to retain their seat in the big 6. Tennessee has been the worst team in the SEC, literally.
So you got these 9 teams fighting for the open spot, here is how I would rank their current resume’s(last 10 years or so results and accolades), but also the current state of their program. For instance, a USC 11 win season with a retired coach from 2011 doesn’t hold much weight, same with Mizzou’s SEC East championships.
1. Mississippi State- 9 game bowl streak, in 22 of 31(71%) CFP polls, has beat A&M 4 out of last 5 years. 1 of 4 schools to be ranked #1 in the CFP playoff poll(Bama, UGA and Clemson). As of now, they have the best looking program over the past decade or so outside of the big 5, and only A&M can make a case that it has been better, but State owns the head to head. Purely numbers wise, State has been better than Auburn even. Here are some numbers since 2012:
Auburn(56-36)—SEC(28-28)—6 game bowl streak—in 20 of 31(65%) CFP polls—beat MSU 3 of last 7
Miss St(57-34)—SEC(28-28)—9 game bowl streak—in 22 of 31(71%) CFP polls—beat AU 4 of last 7
2. Texas A&M- 10 game bowl streak, in 9 of 31(29%) of CFP polls, has lost to MSU 4 out of last 5 years. Their “profile” looks way more big 6 than any of the little 8, but profile and results are not the same, their program has to be better than State’s in order to claim the spot, and it’s just not right now. If I had to guess, in 20 years A&M has a spot at the table.
3. Kentucky- 3 game bowl streak, in 6 of 31(19%) CFP polls. Coming off big bowl game win vs Penn state, but will take a step back this season. Need to sustain success for a few more years, but Stoops has that programming rolling in the right direction when looking at the big picture
4. Missouri- 2 game bowl streak, in 6 of 31(19%) CFP polls. Had 2 SEC east titles under Gary Pinkel, that seems like a century ago now, good stable program, not big 6 material. Odom is a good coach but not the kind of guy to that can win the SEC East or even compete for it
5. South Carolina- 3 game bowl streak, snuck into 1 CFP poll at #24 - 1 of 31(3%). Had a couple big seasons under Spurrier in early 2010’s, have found mild success under Muschamp but not enough to crack the top 25 more than once in 31 weeks. Not big 6 material
6. Tennessee- relegated to little 8, suck suck suck, no bowl since 2016, in 6 of 31(19%) of polls. Have the worst or 2nd worst SEC record over last decade, went from power house to abandoned house, may never get their spot back in the big 6.
7. Ole Miss- NCAA stopped their cheating for a minute, 3 years w/o a bowl; in 12 of 31(39%) CFP polls. Matt Luke is not a head coach and will not build a program there. It will be atleast 5 years before they can even think about winning big again.
8. Arkansas- suck suck suck. Worst in SEC, somehow snuck into the CFP poll once at #25 - 1 of 31(3%). Chad Morris sucks. Recruiting base sucks, campus and town awesome, but that’s not enough. Arkansas has replaced the MS schools as the permanent door mat if the SEC West
9. Vanderbilt- 1 game bowl streak, in 0 of 31(0%) CFP polls. Vandy is everything but big, Derrick Mason has made them respectable and that’s all you can ask, he may be a lifer there.
So you got these 9 teams fighting for the open spot, here is how I would rank their current resume’s(last 10 years or so results and accolades), but also the current state of their program. For instance, a USC 11 win season with a retired coach from 2011 doesn’t hold much weight, same with Mizzou’s SEC East championships.
1. Mississippi State- 9 game bowl streak, in 22 of 31(71%) CFP polls, has beat A&M 4 out of last 5 years. 1 of 4 schools to be ranked #1 in the CFP playoff poll(Bama, UGA and Clemson). As of now, they have the best looking program over the past decade or so outside of the big 5, and only A&M can make a case that it has been better, but State owns the head to head. Purely numbers wise, State has been better than Auburn even. Here are some numbers since 2012:
Auburn(56-36)—SEC(28-28)—6 game bowl streak—in 20 of 31(65%) CFP polls—beat MSU 3 of last 7
Miss St(57-34)—SEC(28-28)—9 game bowl streak—in 22 of 31(71%) CFP polls—beat AU 4 of last 7
2. Texas A&M- 10 game bowl streak, in 9 of 31(29%) of CFP polls, has lost to MSU 4 out of last 5 years. Their “profile” looks way more big 6 than any of the little 8, but profile and results are not the same, their program has to be better than State’s in order to claim the spot, and it’s just not right now. If I had to guess, in 20 years A&M has a spot at the table.
3. Kentucky- 3 game bowl streak, in 6 of 31(19%) CFP polls. Coming off big bowl game win vs Penn state, but will take a step back this season. Need to sustain success for a few more years, but Stoops has that programming rolling in the right direction when looking at the big picture
4. Missouri- 2 game bowl streak, in 6 of 31(19%) CFP polls. Had 2 SEC east titles under Gary Pinkel, that seems like a century ago now, good stable program, not big 6 material. Odom is a good coach but not the kind of guy to that can win the SEC East or even compete for it
5. South Carolina- 3 game bowl streak, snuck into 1 CFP poll at #24 - 1 of 31(3%). Had a couple big seasons under Spurrier in early 2010’s, have found mild success under Muschamp but not enough to crack the top 25 more than once in 31 weeks. Not big 6 material
6. Tennessee- relegated to little 8, suck suck suck, no bowl since 2016, in 6 of 31(19%) of polls. Have the worst or 2nd worst SEC record over last decade, went from power house to abandoned house, may never get their spot back in the big 6.
7. Ole Miss- NCAA stopped their cheating for a minute, 3 years w/o a bowl; in 12 of 31(39%) CFP polls. Matt Luke is not a head coach and will not build a program there. It will be atleast 5 years before they can even think about winning big again.
8. Arkansas- suck suck suck. Worst in SEC, somehow snuck into the CFP poll once at #25 - 1 of 31(3%). Chad Morris sucks. Recruiting base sucks, campus and town awesome, but that’s not enough. Arkansas has replaced the MS schools as the permanent door mat if the SEC West
9. Vanderbilt- 1 game bowl streak, in 0 of 31(0%) CFP polls. Vandy is everything but big, Derrick Mason has made them respectable and that’s all you can ask, he may be a lifer there.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 6:58 am to holdmydak
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South Carolina only being ranked one week, and as #24 really kinda shocked me. I didn’t realize they have been so bad over the past 6-7 years.
6-7 years? CFP didn’t start until 2014.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 7:00 am to Kat Kat
I do remember that, and I agree. However, I think that was obviously an anomaly, maybe not, but for now that was the only time Smart has really looked like he was lost since his first year. Sometimes a few things don’t bounce your way and before you know it you are way behind, and changing your gameplan and pressing, which usually adds on to the snowball effect and makes the game even worse. This happens to everyone, even Saban in the national championship game last year. I’ve seen Coach O look this way countless times as well, the 2017 30 point loss to State and the Troy loss are just two off the top of my head but I know there are atleast a few more.
Coach O got him that day, probably bc of a combination of things that went his way, and not Smart’s way. There is no doubt in my mind that Kirby Smart is a better football coach, X’s and O’s guy, in game decision maker, and is honestly even a better recruiter. If LSU and O played UGA and Smart 10 times, I think UGA and Smart win 7 or 8 times.
Coach O got him that day, probably bc of a combination of things that went his way, and not Smart’s way. There is no doubt in my mind that Kirby Smart is a better football coach, X’s and O’s guy, in game decision maker, and is honestly even a better recruiter. If LSU and O played UGA and Smart 10 times, I think UGA and Smart win 7 or 8 times.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 7:03 am to holdmydak
Big 6 vs Lil 8
It shows up every day, indirectly, on this forum.
It shows up every day, indirectly, on this forum.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 7:04 am to holdmydak
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A&M sees themselves multiple tiers above State, like closer to Bama/Clemson than State, the fact is, they are below State, atleast for now. Like I said, the resources are there, but I’m not gonna give them the respect of an elite program until they are an elite program. Jimbo might do it, he might not, just take a look at where he left FSU, easy to forget that huh? Mainly, I just hate A&M and their self inflated ego’s, sure love beating them tho.
This pretty much sums up State fans' insecurity about A&M.
MSU - 7-5 edge head to head
MSU - 3 game current win streak
A&M - 25th all time win percentage to 94th for MSU
A&M - 40 bowl games to 22
A&M - 436 weeks in AP poll to to 202
A&M - 741 wins to 563
You're right that A&M isn't an elite program, but we've been (relatively) close. MSU has been light years from an elite program for pretty much your whole existence. I realize that fact makes you insecure, and I realize that Mullen just helped yall secure your best run in school history, which has helped you yo a 4-3 lead in the series since A&M joined the SEC. So, to a degree, you have earned those bragging rights over us.
To sum - your post is a very insecure attempt to isolate the best year's in State's history to try and make yall look better as a program.
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