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re: Mizzou Fans...If You're Still a James Franklin and Yost Fan, Read This...
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:21 pm to mograyback
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:21 pm to mograyback
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Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:23 pm to mograyback
The fact he has zooks players did have an impact but it doesnt change tge fact Urbans offensive scheme changed a ton after his first season at Florida. At Utah he was a fun and gun guy and it became much more power oriented, as I believe we will need to do as well
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:28 pm to FightTigers
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The fact he has zooks players did have an impact but it doesnt change tge fact Urbans offensive scheme changed a ton after his first season at Florida. At Utah he was a fun and gun guy and it became much more power oriented, as I believe we will need to do as well
Yep. UF's offense was extremely finesse in 2005. They got beat down by a Mike Shula coached team. Mike. Shula. Then he got Tom Treebow to sign with the University of the Peninsular State South of Georgia and developed a power run game with his fullback/QB. That's the problem with a spread offense in this league. What do you do on 3rd and short? You better have a beast of a QB or a big back that can push the pile and fall forward for a couple of yards when you need it. Otherwise you are screwed.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:29 pm to mograyback
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Do you think the fact that he was taking over a team with 5 losses the previous 2 years had anything to do with it.. even a little?
Nope. Zook recruited top 5 talent, he just couldn't coach. Urban walked into a gold mine at UF, much like Miles did at LSU. And Urban had that same cocky attitude that many Mizzou players and fans did, he really thought he would challange for the SEC his first year. He changed very quickly after that.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:30 pm to Robot Santa
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Then he got Tom Treebow to sign with the University of the Peninsular State South of Georgia
Treebow shoulda signed with Sheetrock University.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:31 pm to FightTigers
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The fact he has zooks players did have an impact but it doesnt change tge fact Urbans offensive scheme changed a ton after his first season at Florida. At Utah he was a fun and gun guy and it became much more power oriented, as I believe we will need to do as well
I thought our offense had to get more power oriented even in the big12.. it was insane to never go under center, even at the goal line, even in that league.
But these guys are painting it like no type of spread or finesse system will work. As much as Urbans offense adjusted, it also was still a spread. It still relied on a lot of finesse too. This is there religion, power football. Its like coming in and saying another religion could beat theres. They don't like it so they are jumping at this chance to say it will never work, when it has show to work in the past.
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Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:36 pm to mograyback
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And to talk about size.. Our o-line was actually bigger than theirs this weekend.. we don't have one position where the player is too small for the league. So your talk about us being too small is just really low low level casual fan speak. It has nothing to do with our problems. But you love swinging that big ole sec dick around like our guys are too weak and small when that's not the problem.
What position do we not have an SEC caliber player starting? Please lets hear that one. Or do you mean we don't have a full team of #1's that would start at Bama and LSU. I think you're mistaking the elite teams for the entire SEC.
Really dude? You need me to list this for you? Your OL is big on size but small on talent. Your QB, despite what he is listed at looks small to me. Your best WR is a 5'9 white dude(if he's 6'0, I'm Brad Pitt). Your TE is around 230 lbs. Your LB's are all about 230 lbs. Your DE's are about 260 lbs. Do you know how much our starting TE weighs? What about our starting DE's? Our LB's? You are small at many position...just like I said. And the big guys you do have wouldn't be on our 3 deep roster, except for 1-2 guys.
As far as which of your players aren't SEC level players...I'll just say after watching three of your games this year, that aside from 3 or 4 players, you don't have any more guys who would even be in our 2 deep (or LSU, UGA, USCe, UF). That's bad news if you ever want to have a winning league record.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:37 pm to tider04
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Do you think the fact that he was taking over a team with 5 losses the previous 2 years had anything to do with it.. even a little?
Nope. Zook recruited top 5 talent, he just couldn't coach. Urban walked into a gold mine at UF, much like Miles did at LSU. And Urban had that same cocky attitude that many Mizzou players and fans did, he really thought he would challange for the SEC his first year. He changed very quickly after that.
Oh okay. So the fact they were a 5 loss team for two years before Urban took over had nothing to do with them being a 5 loss team his first year. Just wanted to make sure I heard that right.
I'm not saying he didn't adjust his offenses, but he didn't change the core of it.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:42 pm to mograyback
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But these guys are painting it like no type of spread or finesse system will work. As much as Urbans offense adjusted, it also was still a spread. It still relied on a lot of finesse too. This is there religion, power football. Its like coming in and saying another religion could beat theres. They don't like it so they are jumping at this chance to say it will never work, when it has show to work in the past.
The only reason Urban's spread worked for 4 years was because he made it a power oriented attack with a huge, strong QB who could run the ball and take a beating. Do you know what Urban's record was at UF sans Tebow? Something like 16-10. Without a once in a generation QB like Tebow or Cam--even a power run oriented spread won't work in the SEC. That was proven with Urban's offense without Tebow, and Malzahan's offense without Cam. Any more ignorant myths you want me to clear up for you with the facts?
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:43 pm to tider04
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Really dude? You need me to list this for you? Your OL is big on size but small on talent. Your QB, despite what he is listed at looks small to me. Your best WR is a 5'9 white dude(if he's 6'0, I'm Brad Pitt). Your TE is around 230 lbs. Your LB's are all about 230 lbs. Your DE's are about 260 lbs. Do you know how much our starting TE weighs? What about our starting DE's? Our LB's? You are small at many position...just like I said. And the big guys you do have wouldn't be on our 3 deep roster, except for 1-2 guys.
As far as which of your players aren't SEC level players...I'll just say after watching three of your games this year, that aside from 3 or 4 players, you don't have any more guys who would even be in our 2 deep (or LSU, UGA, USCe, UF). That's bad news if you ever want to have a winning league record.
Never said our o-line was big on talent.
Just pointed out to you that your continued comments about us being too small are bogus. Our o-line was bigger than SC o-line. Size isn't the problem.
Our best WR is not 5'9. Its Marcus Lucas who is 6'5. And as a full unit, we would rank as one of the biggest at the WR position.
And TJ Moe may be 5'11 or 6ft, but he is a horse that is big enough for the NFL right now.. Wes Welker ring a bell... please stop talking about size being are problem. You sound like that fat idiot stuffing his face at the tailgate that doesn't know what he is talking about.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:43 pm to mograyback
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I'm not saying he didn't adjust his offenses, but he didn't change the core of it.
He changed it pretty drastically. That's fact.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:44 pm to tider04
Dude doesn't realize Kansas ain't coming through that door..my Rebs maybe, but not Kansas
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:45 pm to mograyback
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Just pointed out to you that your continued comments about us being too small are bogus. Our o-line was bigger than SC o-line. Size isn't the problem.
Our best WR is not 5'9. Its Marcus Lucas who is 6'5. And as a full unit, we would rank as one of the biggest at the WR position.
And TJ Moe may be 5'11 or 6ft, but he is a horse that is big enough for the NFL right now.. Wes Welker ring a bell... please stop talking about size being are problem. You sound like that fat idiot stuffing his face at the tailgate that doesn't know what he is talking about.
Why didn't you address the size of your TE, DE's and LB's? The fact that you got pushed around by both SEC teams you played and got beat by 3 TD's in both games and you still don't believe your talent, size or strength is an issue is laughable. You are truly an ignorant fan of the highest order.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:46 pm to tider04
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The only reason Urban's spread worked for 4 years was because he made it a power oriented attack with a huge, strong QB who could run the ball and take a beating. Do you know what Urban's record was at UF sans Tebow? Something like 16-10. Without a once in a generation QB like Tebow or Cam--even a power run oriented spread won't work in the SEC. That was proven with Urban's offense without Tebow, and Malzahan's offense without Cam. Any more ignorant myths you want me to clear up for you with the facts?
So you're saying the spread can work if you have a really good qb that is mobile. Okay, we'll try and find one of those and get it done.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:50 pm to mograyback
Relax brotha, Mizzou is going to be fine and I'm glad they are in the SEC for a number of reasons, but I humbly submit there is a certain toughness and weathering of weekly physical battles that your team will take some time to adjust to.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:52 pm to mograyback
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So you're saying the spread can work if you have a really good qb that is mobile. Okay, we'll try and find one of those and get it done.
Not what I'm saying. Go ask AU how having a mobile QB is working out for them.
I said you have to have a once in a generation QB that is HUGE and athletic like Tebow or Cam...AND it has to be a power oriented spread. Mizzou has neither, and Tebows and Cams don't come around often enough to justify running an offense that requires that type of talent to make it work in the SEC. That is why both UF and AU are BOTH moving back to a pro-style offense as we speak.
This post was edited on 9/23/12 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:53 pm to mizzoukills
In time your coaching staff will either recognize what must be done to get better or they will be fired. That's the way it is in the SEC. There are several keys:
1. Make recruiting in the trenches an absolute priority. Having excellent skill players won't help that much if they don't get good blocking and your QB doesn't have solid protection.
2. Emphasize Defense over Offense. The SEC believes in the old saying: Defense wins championships. With superior defense, you can play conservative offense and win with minimal points and TO's. See LSU @ Auburn Saturday for verification.
3. Run a pro-style/NFL type offense. This will do two things: your offense will be less prone to mistakes and you will be able to recruit top players who want to be prepared to play in the NFL.
1. Make recruiting in the trenches an absolute priority. Having excellent skill players won't help that much if they don't get good blocking and your QB doesn't have solid protection.
2. Emphasize Defense over Offense. The SEC believes in the old saying: Defense wins championships. With superior defense, you can play conservative offense and win with minimal points and TO's. See LSU @ Auburn Saturday for verification.
3. Run a pro-style/NFL type offense. This will do two things: your offense will be less prone to mistakes and you will be able to recruit top players who want to be prepared to play in the NFL.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:58 pm to tider04
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Why didn't you address the size of your TE, DE's and LB's?
Actually the 3-4 DE's are way bigger the 4-3 DE's even the best in the league are similar in size the 6'4-6'6" range around 260 Pounds just like Ealy, Madison and Sam, that being said though mograyasshole back has quickly became the biggest a-hole Mizzou poster hands down.
Posted on 9/23/12 at 10:58 pm to tider04
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Why didn't you address the size of your TE, DE's and LB's? The fact that you got pushed around by both SEC teams you played and got beat by 3 TD's in both games and you still don't believe your talent, size or strength is an issue is laughable. You are truly an ignorant fan of the highest order.
I feel like you're really steering this the way you want to and are really putting a lot of words in my mouth.
I've corrected you where you've been wrong about our size. I haven't said we are not lacking in things.
We're not Alabama, not many teams are. In fact really no one else is. Maybe 3 or 4 teams are even close to as big as you.. and I feel like that is what you're comparing us to and that is really ignorant.
Our system doesn't call for 280 lb TEs, it needs 6'6 230 lb guys.. You've made a really low grade casual fan assessment that size is our problem and earlier you pointed out our defense being bad. Its clear you don't know our team, but you have that big sec dick bc you live like a surrogate through alabama football.. so you're probably right about it all.
This post was edited on 9/23/12 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 9/23/12 at 11:11 pm to mograyback
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Our system doesn't call for 280 lb TEs, it needs 6'6 230 lb guys.. You've made a really low grade casual fan assessment that size is our problem and earlier you pointed out our defense being bad. Its clear you don't know our team, but you have that big sec dick bc you live like a surrogate through alabama football.. so you're probably right about it all.
I've never said size/strength is your only problem, but for you to act like it's a non-issue is just dumb on your part. You asked me to point to certain positions, and I have done that. You asked, you recieved. Mizzou has more issues than size/strength and I have listed those things from offensive philosophy, to the type of players you recruit, etc. They are all true things. I'm sorry you don't like it...but your SEC record this year and next year will force Mizzou to make a change on the issues I just listed. Either Pinkel will adjust like Urban had to at UF, or he will refuse and be fired and Mizzou will bring in a guy to run things the way SEC teams do. Go ahead and bookmark this thread...we will revisit this in 2-3 years.
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