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re: Mizzou Fan's Concerns with South Carolina

Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:33 am to
Posted by CockRocket
Columbia, SC
Member since May 2012
6840 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:33 am to
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We have James Franklin

Clowney may actually kill him.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:41 am to
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Clowney may actually kill him.


I seriously doubt it. The guy went 8-5 his first year and played the entire year hurt. Now he's healthy and reported to be at or near 100 percent.

SEC's gonna get blindsided by him...
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7907 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:43 am to
I dunno. I think SC will finally get it all together this year.

I think they'll beat Mizzou pretty handily.
Posted by CockRocket
Columbia, SC
Member since May 2012
6840 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:45 am to
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SEC's gonna get blindsided by him...

Isn't it a little too early, especially on a Monday, to be drinking?
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:00 pm to
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Isn't it a little too early, especially on a Monday, to be drinking?


Never too early for a TNT...
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19116 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:19 pm to
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They're better than Missouri

on paper, but the game still has to be played. that being said, i believe USCe will dominate the line of scrimmage and therefore the game.
Posted by jafo
Northwest Missouri State Bearcats
Member since Jan 2012
2954 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

quote:

We have James Franklin

Clowney may actually kill him.


I watched a re-run of last years NCG yesterday. I mainly watched the defenses of LSU and Bama. I seen some pretty big gaps in there as there LB's were pulled out of the middle by recievers or mis-direction plays. I watched Jefferson run a few times. If those gaps are still there against Franklin, he'll have a hayday running. If SC's defense is compairable to Bama's or LSU's, same thing. Those LB's are gonna have to be diciplined and stay home alot more with Franklin.

Where Mizzou may run into trouble is goal line play. But the rest of the field I dunno.

I will say both defenses looked awsome though.
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
2569 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:45 pm to
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Cocks would be my choice of winning the East if UGA did not draw the pussy schedule they somehow ended up with.


We some how ended up with it because we had to replace Bama with Mizzou...

How's it feel to be the reason we have a pussy schedule?
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
22426 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:47 pm to
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I watched a re-run of last years NCG yesterday


Lol, I hope when Mizzou plays Bama he sees the same gaps, you will find out about what is called closing speed! Don't convince me on a Internet site, do it on the field first.
Posted by CockRocket
Columbia, SC
Member since May 2012
6840 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

I watched a re-run of last years NCG yesterday. I mainly watched the defenses of LSU and Bama. I seen some pretty big gaps in there as there LB's were pulled out of the middle by recievers or mis-direction plays. I watched Jefferson run a few times.

Key word, National Championship game. Those are the best coaches in the game right now. JJ isn't really a dual threat qb and McCarron definitely isn't. You should rewatch a game with Cam or Tebow. If you think Franklin is anywhere near their level, you're crazy. Franklin and the rest of your offense won't be that big of a deal in the SEC.
Posted by Ozzie
OKC
Member since Dec 2011
24 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 2:11 pm to
Where Mizzou will run into trouble is the opening kickoff and all game long.
Posted by Stripes314
St. Louis
Member since Oct 2011
5033 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 2:47 pm to
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If you think Franklin is anywhere near their level, you're crazy.


While I am not saying Franklin is on anybodies level, I would love to know how many Mizzou games you have watched to make an assessment on Franklin.
Posted by USCGamecocks
New Hampshire
Member since Oct 2008
817 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 3:59 pm to
We run a 4-2-5 defense with the "spur" safety as the third linebacker. It's a safety/linebacker hybrid position that lines up close to the LOS and provides run support and covers tight ends and running backs in pass coverage.

As far as a personnel breakdown: Jadeveon Clowney-You probably know about his but if you don't he's 6'6 265 and runs a 4.54 forty. He can clean 270 so he's very strong. Last year he had 8 sacks and 5 forced fumbles as a third down rusher. He really had no idea what was going on from a technique and scheme standpoint but he just made plays. This year he'll line up at d end, tackle and there is some talk about middle linebacker in passing situations to keep him away from double teams. Devin Taylor is the other defensive end and is an All sec player. He's 6'8 270 and runs in the high 4.5 to 4.6 range. He's a finesse and speed rusher, but is very smart. He had an interception return for a td last year when he dropped into zone coverage and the qb didn't see it. He also had 7 sacks on the year. Defensive tackles are Kelcy Quarles and Byron Jerideau. Quarles is a more explosive pass rushing DT who really came on at the end of last year. We expect a monster year out of him. Jerideau is the strongest player on our team and set the school record on squats. He's not really a pass rushing threat but he is strong at the point of attack and at 320 he eats up blockers. Damario Jeffrey and Shaq Wilson are the linebackers. Wilson is a multi year starter and is the qb of the defense. He's a quicker, smaller linebacker. Jeffrey will be a first year starter at middle linebacker. He's a physically impressive player who has played multiple positions because he's kept growing. He started out a safety and is now a linebacker. He runs very well and hits hard. He's about 235-240. Our corners Auguste and Hampton are good. Auguste is senior but had to sit last year out due to injury. Hampton played a good bit last year but didn't start because he was primary back up to stephon gilmore. He showed flashes of brilliant play last year and is expected to have a monster year. He is the most talented of our db's but is only a sophomore. The safeties are Holloman at spur, Swearinger at free safety and brison williams at strong safety. Holloman is about 240 and runs in the 4.5 range. He's a big hitter and should excel at the spur position. He came in as a safety but has outgrown the position. Swearinger is the hardest worker and hardest hitter on the defense. He's a ball hawk and also lays huge hits when he gets the chance. He's the senior leader of the secondary. Brison williams is well liked by the coaches for his ability, but he is unproven. He's a sophomore with tons of potential but was hampered last year by injury so he didn't play as much as we would have liked.
Posted by TenTex
Member since Jan 2008
15949 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 4:03 pm to
OMG, you guys are gonna get to know Mr. Lattimore on about 30 runs giving up over 200 yards. And God help you if Spurrier has finally found his QB. The SC defense will be one of the best you have fast the past few years. If this game is close it will be a shock to many. SC wins by at least 20!.
Posted by USCGamecocks
New Hampshire
Member since Oct 2008
817 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 4:26 pm to
On offense we run multiple sets. We'll run ace, some I formation, 5 wides, spread and generally run zone read running plays. We have a zone blocking scheme with wide O line splits. As far as personnel:

Qb Connor Shaw: He took over mid year as the starter when Garcia went all Garcia on himself. He's a very accurate qb who makes good decisions. He finished last year off very well so he is expected to have a good year. He runs in the 4.4-4.5 range so look for him to carry the ball 10-15 times a game. He's a really good zone read quarterback. In the offseason, coaches have gotten him to work on staying in the pocket longer and only running as a last resort. He's a great guy off the field and is always in the film room. He probably won't have too many 300 yard games but he generally throws for about 200 yards and runs for 75-100. Lattimore is a complete back. He runs well behind his pads, has great vision and cutback ability. He's not a burner but rips off long runs here and there. He's about 230 and runs in the 4.5 range. He runs to contact and breaks a ton tackles. He's nearly unstoppable at the goal line. He has great hands and runs good routes out of the backfield. The offensive line is anchored by center TJ Johnson. He's a 4 year starter and goes about 6-4 315. He's strong, smart and athletic. Rarely makes mistakes and started from day one when he got on campus. Most teams will line up a defensive tackle across from him because he is good at helping on a double team block and then getting free to go find a linebacker. AJ Cann is a two year starter at left tackle and is up to about 310. He's athletic and he will pull a good bit especially when he is on the strong side. Brandon Shell is the left tackle. They expected him to come in last year and compete for the left tackle spot because he the #4 rated OT for his recruiting period. He wasn't able to do so because of a shoulder injury and redshirted. He looks good in practice and at 6-6 330 he swallows up people on blocks. We'll see if he can adjust to game time, but going against Clowney in practice is about as good work as you can get. Right tackle will probably be ronald patrick who has been waiting for his chance to start for a couple years. He has played in a back up role and has been dependable. I don't think he'll be pretty solid, but he's another who hasn't started much. Right tackle is a battle between Matulis and Gibson. Matulis will probably be the starter because he started the last 6 games last year due to injuries on the line. He probably wasn't ready strength wise last year to start, but he battled through and played pretty well at the end of the year. He's gotten much stronger and worked on his footwork. He looks pretty good in camp. Wide receiver is loaded with talent but not as much experience. The two anchors will be Ace Sanders and DL Moore. Ace had a good year in the slot last year and had about 30 catches. DL has had trouble cracking the starting lineup because he was behind Alshon Jeffery for the past three years. He's a senior and knows this is his chance. They've worked Ace at outside x receiver as well as the slot. He's a very quick little guy. He's about 5'8. Oddly enough he's a good blocker in the run game. The other WR position is a toss up between redshirt freshmen KJ Brent, Shamier Jeffery (Alshon's little brother) and true freshman Shaq Roland. Roland was Mr. football for south carolina last year and is a great leaper due to his background in basketball. He's been impressive in camp we'll see what shakes out in the games. In the slot if ace is out at x are Bruce Ellington. He had 23 catches last year and runs our wildcat offense. He's the point guard on the basketball team. He is very quick and is about 5-10. Also Damiere Byrd is another name to watch. He's about 5'7 160 pounds but is damned near impossible to cover on post and go routes. He didn't do a whole lot last year other then end arounds because he was ruled ineligible for his first 4 games and got behind the learning curve. He looks good in camp, but we'll see if he can catch consistently in games. So a ton of talent at wr but we will have to see who proves they can do it consistently. We have one of the best group of tight ends in the SEC. Cunningham is a senior and is a very good blocker and serviceable pass catcher. He's about 260-270 so he mainly blocks, but he'll catch any pass thrown to him. He's not a big play tight end by any means but is a good possession receiver. Sometimes he'll line up at fullback as well. Buster Anderson is our main threat catching balls from the tight end position. He's about 6-5 and around 235-240. He runs in the 4.4-4.5 range so he is a big mismatch in the passing game. Spurrier doesn't throw to the tight ends much but that figures to change this year. You also have to throw Jerell Adams. He is an incoming freshman after not qualifying last year and going to prep school. He has been tearing it up at camp and caught 3 passes for 103 yards and a touchdown at the last scrimmage. He is a big time target on drag and seam routes.
Posted by jafo
Northwest Missouri State Bearcats
Member since Jan 2012
2954 posts
Posted on 8/19/12 at 4:39 pm to
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Key word, National Championship game. Those are the best coaches in the game right now. JJ isn't really a dual threat qb and McCarron definitely isn't. You should rewatch a game with Cam or Tebow. If you think Franklin is anywhere near their level, you're crazy. Franklin and the rest of your offense won't be that big of a deal in the SEC.


Sorry to dredge up this thread, but I've had some tech issues, but all's good now. I want a chance to respond to this.

I understand they were playing a NCG. As I said in my original post. I understand your point that JJ nor McCarron are not dual threat QB's. JJ ran a few times for positive plays, which was my point. I seen opportunities there where Franklin can take advantage. Your right, Franklin is no Newton or Tebow, he's Franklin.

I've watched numerous Tebow and Newton games, and they are great players. But to say Franklin is no where near thier level is somewhat reckless to say. Though I would be more apt to agree he's not near Newtons level, because realy newton is a colmplete QB. Tebow is not. Franklin is more near a complete QB than Tebow.

If those gaps and open field are is still there, Franklin will cause trouble for defenses, don't care who they are.
Posted by jafo
Northwest Missouri State Bearcats
Member since Jan 2012
2954 posts
Posted on 8/19/12 at 4:42 pm to
quote:

Lol, I hope when Mizzou plays Bama he sees the same gaps, you will find out about what is called closing speed! Don't convince me on a Internet site, do it on the field first.


Yeh, , forgot Franklin's about a 6.6 time in the 40...... gets caught from behind all the time, and yeh I know, he's been playing with those slow arse defenses in the B-12.
Posted by rumtumtiger
Georgia
Member since Sep 2008
1223 posts
Posted on 8/19/12 at 4:44 pm to
Wait till Clowney gets through with your offense. You'll know about 'em, then.
Posted by Legend13
Driving a titleist
Member since Nov 2011
4079 posts
Posted on 8/19/12 at 5:15 pm to
Stripes314
quote:

While I am not saying Franklin is on anybodies level, I would love to know how many Mizzou games you have watched to make an assessment on Franklin.
We don't have to watch your offense because it is NOTHING in the SEC with the high level of defenses. Mizzou hasn't done anything in The Big 12 and you think it's going to be successful in the SEC....Look at Oregon one of the most high powered offenses in the NCAA and what did they do in the 2010 BCSNCG against one of the worst AU defenses "OF ALL TIME" ? Now tell me "why" I should watch a Mizzou game to evaluate your offense against an SEC defense? By the way USCe defense finished #3 in the nation and most all of the starters are coming back and they will beat Mizzou by at least 14.
This post was edited on 8/19/12 at 5:22 pm
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