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re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:37 am to rumproast
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:37 am to rumproast
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Well...they can put their lies aside and live being who they are....quietly.
do you know your rights as an American?
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so I shouldn't have to endure the anguish
who's asking you to?
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especially when I find those views distasteful.
well maybe you should put your views aside...quietly
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Oh, and with regard to gays NOT wanting attention....that's just stupid
so profound.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:40 am
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:37 am to Alahunter
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Feel free to search my posts celebrating the above. Or show me a press conference where an athlete is announcing his conquests publicly.
No, I will take your word for it that you have been just as vocal against players having sex outside of marriage or any other sin that is committed by athletes.
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You should be. you've shown yourself to be a rather large one.
If you say so.
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I haven't done so.
My apologies here. I meant a generic "you" with those statements. Not "you" as in Alahunter.
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Your words show the complete opposite.
I actually am. I might form my opinions of people as human beings based on the views they express, but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to express those views. Some here have very rationally explained that they view homosexuality as a "sin" while others have equated homosexuality to beastiality and of course my views of those individuals are going to be different. Doesn't mean you can't hold or express those views but don't get upset when people form an impression based on them.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:38 am to Alahunter
I believe there are many other factors that played a much bigger role in the fall of certain civilations.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:40 am to cas4t
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Jesus I bet HR has a field day at your job
You'd be surprised at how much shite doesn't get reported. The white guy/black guy argument was back when I worked for a large Fortune 500 company, and nothing came of it.
I walked back there to the copier and heard it going and ran away like this so as not to be involved: I work at a small company now, so HR isn't as stringent.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:41 am to Moustache
quote:Okay, and what about it?
My whole point is that if those people can choose, then gays can choose.
There is something fundamentally different about choosing not to victimize a person, and choosing not to engage in an intimate act with another consenting adult. It's a huge folly to conflate the two.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:41 am to Moustache
We talk about some crazy shite at work, and sometimes it goes too far and I worry that Marge is gonna hear Adam talking about some chick he railed on Saturday night.
But we avoiod the Trayvvon, gay rights, abortion, etc conversations
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:42 am to Hog on the Hill
And I am going to venture to say you are wrong! You don't know me nor my back ground. If you wish to test this, we can. I will let you go first and explain the history of the homosexual movement.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:42 am to NaptownHog
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No, your point is you can be intolerant to my stance and I have to be tolerant to yours.
No, be as intolerant as you want. Really don't care. It makes you who you are.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:42 am to rumproast
Ahhh...I see now..it was a "pre-emptive strike". I'll out myself before the mean guys do so I can tell the world. Perhaps plausible....but still doesn't explain the parades. And I'm not buying the pre-emptive strike theory either.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:43 am to Hog on the Hill
I have always assumed that the reason people say that being gay is a choice is because they would not want God to send someone to hell based on something they could not choose.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:43 am to cas4t
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I believe there are many other factors that played a much bigger role in the fall of certain civilations.
In certain ones, yes. But in others..it was a pretty big contributor. There were many Romans that spoke of the self indulgence and moral turpitude that existed just before it's downfall, and feared it's downfall because of the preoccupation of it's own decadence.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:43 am to darkhorse
quote:No thanks, I don't wish to engage in any dickwaving. How about you give me the name of a history book you think I should read so I can become enlightened.
And I am going to venture to say you are wrong! You don't know me nor my back ground. If you wish to test this, we can. I will let you go first and explain the history of the homosexual movement.
edit: After all, you are the one who called me ignorant. I think the burden is on you to prove it, rather than on me to prove I'm not ignorant.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:45 am to Tackle74
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I agree with this to a point. Forced to celebrate it, no. Think it is a sin, fine. Speak out your opinion, fine. Discriminate against those that are gay, not fine.
Pretty much this. And I don't think anyone is forcing hunter or anyone else to celebrate it or accept it. Nor are they trying to change their religious views.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:45 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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I have always assumed that the reason people say that being gay is a choice is because they would not want God to send someone to hell based on something they could not choose.
Bingo. To admit that homosexuality is not a choice is to admit the God you worship is not the all-loving God you were taught about.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:45 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
quote:You are probably right, but it doesn't make for good theology. The Bible teaches that since the fall we are all born with a sin nature. The Bible teaches that going to heaven is the work of God, not the work of man. The Bible teaches that God does indeed create some "cisterns" for destruction. The Bible also doesn't teach that just because someone has sex with a person of the same sex that they are hell bound.
I have always assumed that the reason people say that being gay is a choice is because they would not want God to send someone to hell based on something they could not choose.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:47 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:46 am to Alahunter
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There were many Romans that spoke of the self indulgence and moral turpitude that existed just before it's downfall, and feared it's downfall because of the preoccupation of it's own decadence.
They probably also believed the Gods were punishing them for these acts.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:47 am to Hog on the Hill
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There is something fundamentally different about choosing not to victimize a person, and choosing not to engage in an intimate act with another consenting adult. It's a huge folly to conflate the two.
I agree. My whole point is that people say that my belief of it being a sin is a fallacy because they can't choose or help themselves. (I mean aside from them believing it is false due to them not being Christian) It is a fact(saying it is innate and not a choice and they have no control over it) that is used often times to say that it couldn't possibly be a sin. This argument is within the Christian community. See ELCA Lutherans and a few Methodists.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:47 am to Alahunter
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I've not seen anyone who disagrees with it, or think it's a sin.. mention anything to be discriminatory. However, I've seen a lot of words like bigot, prejudiced, and the likes thrown out, because of calling it a sin, or not wanting to celebrate it.
Dude, did you not see the posts comparing homosexuality to beastiality or pedophilia? I would bring forward Mizzou1's posts if they weren't deleted and you'd see how discriminatory they are.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:47 am to cas4t
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the Gods
Meaning they had abandoned and turned their back on Christianity. Seems we've a lot in common with Rome today.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:48 am to Moustache
quote:Okay, gotcha. I think we were talking past each other. I'm not religious at all so I don't have a dog in the fight when it comes to sin vs not sin.
I agree. My whole point is that people say that my belief of it being a sin is a fallacy because they can't choose or help themselves. (I mean aside from them believing it is false due to them not being Christian) It is a fact(saying it is innate and not a choice and they have no control over it) that is used often times to say that it couldn't possibly be a sin. This argument is within the Christian community. See ELCA Lutherans and a few Methodists.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:49 am
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