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re: Mizzou DE Michael Sam comes out
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:27 am to Ridgewalker
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:27 am to Ridgewalker
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an anus is not designed for penetration
A mouth isn't designed to have a dick in it either. Do you frown upon getting blowjobs (heterosexual or otherwise)?
And this argument is perhaps the worst of them all. You're basically saying "it's icky and weird so I think it's wrong." It's the mentality of a fricking seven-year-old is what it is. In a truly free society, we need a better reason than that to make something illegal.
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:30 am to DCRebel
Bet I can guess what went on in this 50 page thread.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:31 am to DCRebel
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A mouth isn't designed to have a dick in it either.
These guys are either liars or pitifully sexually repressed. Pornographic search statistics suggest the former.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:32 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
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The NFL is in a tough situation. If he fails to make a roster, the militant gays will scream it was because of his sexual orientation.
And they will set their movement back 10 years if they do.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:32 am to rumproast
I don't know why you guys think its the gays themselves making this a big deal? It's the media and mainly ESPN doing it. I'm sure Michael Sam would have loved to keep it hush hush like he has had for the past five years.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:32 am to DCRebel
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Believing that someone's sexual orientation is a "sin" (which means that people of that orientation are inherently wrong or morally inferior in some way) is bigotry. I don't give a flying frick why you believe that, because that doesn't make it any less bigoted.
I believe it is a sin, but I'm not a bigot. I don't discriminate, because nobody discriminates against me for my sins.
What is bigotry is you totally disrespecting my beliefs and religion. You may disagree, but if I don't discriminate against the gay community, then how does it affect your life or anybody else's?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:34 am to Moustache
You disagree with DCRebel, you're a bigot 
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:34 am to Moustache
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I believe it is a sin, but I'm not a bigot. I don't discriminate, because nobody discriminates against me for my sins.
What is bigotry is you totally disrespecting my beliefs and religion. You may disagree, but if I don't discriminate against the gay community, then how does it affect your life or anybody else's?
What religion is it? Orthodox Judaism? Are you following the rest of Leviticus? Keeping Kosher are we? Not wearing clothes made of two fabrics right?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:35 am to Moustache
Issues like this make it easy for some people to try and play the holier - than - thou card (on both sides), unfortunately.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:36 am to Moustache
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What is bigotry is you totally disrespecting my beliefs and religion.
Nope. Disrespect is far from bigotry.
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You may disagree, but if I don't discriminate against the gay community, then how does it affect your life or anybody else's?
It doesn't, and I have no beef with you. I've said plenty of times before that I don't mind religious people who don't impose upon others. Most people are like this. The few who aren't, however, deserve to be called out on it.
ETA: Still, your beliefs do serve to marginalize homosexuals by suggesting that there's something inherently wrong or inferior with them.
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:36 am to Moustache
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You may disagree, but if I don't discriminate against the gay community, then how does it affect your life or anybody else's?
You think that when people publicly profess that homosexuality is a sin, it doesn't affect the lives of homosexuals? If there was a significant segment of the population going around saying how some immutable characteristic of yours would land you and your loved one in hell, I don't think you'd react positively.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:37 am to rumproast
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.I do not believe this right requires the rest of the world to hear about it on the front page of the paper...or that we have to stand up and applaud when somebody announces their preference. (Again, why exactly does anybody feel the need to announce this anyway? I don't see any press releases where some athlete is public ally proclaiming he is straight.)
You know what? Gay people and those that support them want nothing more than for it NOT to be front page news when a high profile person comes out of the closet. The reality is they still face a great deal of prejudice, as evidenced by many comments in this thread.
And he clearly explained why HE felt the need to announce it. I'm guessing you are not close to someone that is gay and have not witnessed the anguish they may have felt on coming out. The reason people come out is because for one reason or another, they've lived a lie and they're ready to put that lie aside and live their life being who they are.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:37 am to Libertyabides71
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What religion is it? Orthodox Judaism?
Not gonna speak for Stache, but any sex outside the bonds of Holy Matrimony is considered sinful by many religions. That being said, I'm sinful as frick, no homo tho.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:37 am to PRK
Don't trip over yourselves attempting to justify your lifestyle. "Pornographic research" isn't a fair representation of most men. FAIL!
Guess what, I'm straight. Let's schedule a press release and parade to announce it to the world!!!
Guess what, I'm straight. Let's schedule a press release and parade to announce it to the world!!!
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:37 am to NaptownHog
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Funny seems like the pro gay people are the bigots and intolerant. I accept your opinion but please accept that I have a different opinion.
No. I won't. You want to turn the tables and call others intolerant? I say you're god damned right (by the way, I just sinned no different than Sam did but you probably won't thump your bible as loud about that). I will not be tolerant of people saying some of the things that have been said in this thread and elsewhere. If people simply accepted certain differing opinions, women would still be considered the property of men, blacks would still be in shackles and we would be stuck in the 1700's.
Oh, and no one, Sam included, is trying to tell you that you have to like the act. Hell, I don't like to picture fat people banging. But I don't go on for 50 pages talking about them nor do I think it's wrong for them to have sex. To vilify someone because of their preferences is being a bigot and that's exactly what has gone on in this thread by many.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:38 am to Vols&Shaft83
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You disagree with DCRebel, you're a bigot
That's the problem I have with this whole LGBT movement. If I don't accept their lifestyle and denounce my religion for it, and if I don't accept them dressing so flamboyant and crude in their parades, then I'm a bigot. WTF? Doesn't the gay community realize all the parades with revelry and videos like frick H8 just further ruins their cause and makes it harder for acceptance. It gives them the stigma many don't want.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:40 am to DCRebel
The leap from saying calling homosexuality a sin to bigotry is a huge one. Adultery is a sin. Pre-marital sex is a sin. Lying is a sin. Not going to church on Sunday is a sin. Simply recognizing that certain behaviors are considered a sin by the Bible or whatever religious beliefs you hold to is not the same as saying you are a bigot. In other words, you are saying if you are a Christian, Jew, Muslim, or a number of hold a wide variety of religious beliefs you are a bigot by that standard.
Part of Christian belief is we are all sinners.
Being a bigot isn't about recognizing sin, it would mean taking that to the next level where you make additional judgements of a person because of their behavior/race/sex/etc. I consider myself a Christian and recognize that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin but it doesn't mean I worry about it beyond that. Sin is between you and God (if you believe in God). I certainly have plenty of sin and am not homosexual. It's not anyone else's business what my relationship with God is or how I feel about sin though.
FWIW, I am very happy for Michael Sam and hope that this has minimal affect on his life. Certainly there have been gay football players in the NFL before so its good that as a society we can finally move on. He's not Jackie Robinson but I admire his courage, it's never easy to be the first. Also, I can think of at least 2 dozen NFL players that are much bigger "sinners" than Mr. Sam will ever be.
Part of Christian belief is we are all sinners.
Being a bigot isn't about recognizing sin, it would mean taking that to the next level where you make additional judgements of a person because of their behavior/race/sex/etc. I consider myself a Christian and recognize that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin but it doesn't mean I worry about it beyond that. Sin is between you and God (if you believe in God). I certainly have plenty of sin and am not homosexual. It's not anyone else's business what my relationship with God is or how I feel about sin though.
FWIW, I am very happy for Michael Sam and hope that this has minimal affect on his life. Certainly there have been gay football players in the NFL before so its good that as a society we can finally move on. He's not Jackie Robinson but I admire his courage, it's never easy to be the first. Also, I can think of at least 2 dozen NFL players that are much bigger "sinners" than Mr. Sam will ever be.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:40 am to rumproast
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.I do not believe this right requires the rest of the world to hear about it on the front page of the paper..
Michael Sam does not disagree with you. Unfortunately, many in our society are still arse backwards and others felt it would be newsworthy and were going to "out" him anyways. The fact that Sam felt the need to "control" the story is a sad reflection on our society but it is where we are at and had to be done.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:41 am to Moustache
quote:What does this mean?
accept their lifestyle
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:42 am to Libertyabides71
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What religion is it? Orthodox Judaism? Are you following the rest of Leviticus? Keeping Kosher are we? Not wearing clothes made of two fabrics right?
Christianity.
I'm not basing it off Leviticus. Here are the verses if you're interested: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.
Jesus fulfilled the old law and such sacrifices and rituals are no longer necessary. Also, one should look into the CONTEXT in which the law was given to those in Leviticus. You should probably study your facts before attacking something you do not know with such a straw man argument.
What you said is literally the same as me saying, "It's not biological. Why would evolution lead us to do that?" See how short sighted that is?
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