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re: Missouri's Recruiting Strategy in the SEC
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:46 pm to molsusports
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:46 pm to molsusports
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He's had a few noteworthy players in the past like Chase Daniels but will they compete favorably when they are going to get the leftovers after: A&M, OU, Texas, LSU, Alabama, Ok State, Arkansas, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, etc have their fill first.
They'll do fine in Texas as long as they don't rely too heavily on it. They won't compete with those Texas schools but I still think they can pull 3-5 quality players out of there.
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Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:48 pm to SunHog
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There is a lot of talent in Illinois. They should recruit there a lot better as they can sell those kids the SEC.
Agreed. Pull more than just 1 player from Illinois. We will compete with the southern schools, but I would like to see them make more of a mark in Memphis too. Add that to pulling one top kid from the other surrounding states (KS/IA/etc).
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:51 pm to daboman of Aggieland
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Although he signed only one player each from Florida and Georgia
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He said getting a foothold in Texas when he first arrived at Mizzou took time
And Arkansas is getting a foothold in Hawaii because we have one player from there. This is ridiculous spin coming from Missouri
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:01 pm to Hog on the Hill
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I assume this is something that has been discussed among Missouri fans: who might you target when Pinkel is shown the door? Do any attractive coaches have ties to Missouri? Will your AD shell out the cash to attract a top hire? Just wondering.
Andy Reid has Missouri ties, but he just took the job in Kansas City. He isnt coming.
And this cant be said officially, but it is known that the boosters were ready to step up when we moved to the SEC, and are still willing to when we have to replace Pinkel. They absolutely would go into the 4 Millions if that is what is needed to get the right coach. 5 is most likely their limit, but I think that is enough. We are about to have a brand new 77,000 person stadium that will be unveiled in 2014. Alden HAS to make a big hire. A no name will not sell out that stadium. Expect a big name to come in after Pinkel is done here.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:18 pm to notsince98
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Mizzou never got high level talent out of Texas. We never beat Texas, A&M, OU or oSu for kids coming out of Texas. Mizzou's success in Texas came from kids like Sean Weatherspoon, Chase Daniel, Danario Alexander, etc. Spoon and Danario were 2 star kids no one in texas wanted
This is true but I don't see anyone in this thread saying Missouri was ever beating out Texas, OU etc for the #1 prospects in Texas - finding the Texas guys others overlooked has been their approach but its a difficult one to use if you want to be competitive in a tough conference.
Missouri's rise also coincided with the fall of Nebraska and KSU in the Big 12 North. In the SEC they are going to be in a division with at least 3 name programs with top tier recruiting grounds and resources. To compete in that type of environment they will need to re-evaluate their approach
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:22 pm to Stripes314
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Expect a big name to come in after Pinkel is done here.
Everyone says they are going to get a big-name hire after firing a coach. Who says "let's go with a no-name who will suck for a few years"?
That's like saying you plan to get divorced in three years on your wedding day
Problem is, what big name will want to torch their record by stepping in to a bottom tier program guaranteed ~4 conference losses every year that is geographically distant from the nation's prime recruiting grounds with no history or facilities to speak of?
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:24 pm to molsusports
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This is true but I don't see anyone in this thread saying Missouri was ever beating out Texas, OU etc for the #1 prospects in Texas - finding the Texas guys others overlooked has been their approach but its a difficult one to use if you want to be competitive in a tough conference.
No one said that yet you said that Mizzou thinks it will be going up against the SEC's best for Atlanta recruits? That is the point. It doesn't matter how many schools recruit GA and FL. Pinkel's staff won't likely be going after the same kids as those schools, just like the way it went in Texas.
Physically, Mizzou held its own just fine in the SEC this last year. We have enough talent to compete game in and game out. Mizzou needs improved coaching before talent is going to become the issue.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:29 pm to Hog on the Hill
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I assume this is something that has been discussed among Missouri fans: who might you target when Pinkel is shown the door? Do any attractive coaches have ties to Missouri? Will your AD shell out the cash to attract a top hire? Just wondering.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:30 pm to Stripes314
I've never understood why Missouri doesn't at least attempt to recruit Arkansas more. Between this year and next there are probably 9-10 D1 prospects in NWA & Jonesboro combined and I don't believe that Missouri has offered any of them. It doesn't make a ton of sense because they're all so close to Columbia. Most will probably sign with Arkansas but it still doesn't hurt to offer and see what they say versus traveling all the way down to Georgia to offer a kid from a rural 2A school.
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Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:34 pm to TheCheshireHog
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I've never understood why Missouri doesn't at least attempt to recruit Arkansas more. Between this year and next there are probably 9-10 D1 prospects in NWA & Jonesboro combined and I don't believe that Missouri has offered any of them. It doesn't make a ton of sense because they're all so close to Columbia. Most will probably sign with Arkansas but it still doesn't hurt to offer and see what they say versus traveling all the way down to Georgia to offer a kid from a rural 2A school.
Missouri State does pretty well recruiting Arkansas, so I don't see why Mizzou could snag one or two a year from down here.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:35 pm to notsince98
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No one said that yet you said that Mizzou thinks it will be going up against the SEC's best for Atlanta recruits? That is the point. It doesn't matter how many schools recruit GA and FL. Pinkel's staff won't likely be going after the same kids as those schools, just like the way it went in Texas.
Physically, Mizzou held its own just fine in the SEC this last year. We have enough talent to compete game in and game out. Mizzou needs improved coaching before talent is going to become the issue.
now I see the difference in our perspectives
you think talent is not the issue
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:36 pm to notsince98
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Mizzou needs improved coaching before talent is going to become the issue
SEC ranks:
Offense
Total yards: 12
Passing yards: 10
Rushing yards: 13
First downs: 12
Defense
Sacks: 12
Interceptions: 11
Yep, the talent is there!
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:37 pm to Politiceaux
That would be hilarious. It might actually become a rivalry then. 
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:39 pm to Porker Face
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Everyone says they are going to get a big-name hire after firing a coach. Who says "let's go with a no-name who will suck for a few years"?
That's like saying you plan to get divorced in three years on your wedding day
Problem is, what big name will want to torch their record by stepping in to a bottom tier program guaranteed ~4 conference losses every year that is geographically distant from the nation's prime recruiting grounds with no history or facilities to speak of?
Meh, this argument does less for me. Arkansas is largely in the same position as Missouri from my perspective. Both are flagship schools from talent poor states up against bluechip programs with better in state talent and football prestige.
And yet, with the right hire I think either school can compete in if not win the SEC
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:40 pm to molsusports
Ok, who is the big-name that wants to go to Missouri?
Remember, they spent weeks chasing after everyone just trying to find an OC before settling and hiring from within
Remember, they spent weeks chasing after everyone just trying to find an OC before settling and hiring from within
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:40 pm to molsusports
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now I see the difference in our perspectives
you think talent is not the issue
And you don't think coaching is the issue? If you couldn't see how poorly Mizzou was coached, I'm not sure your posts on football can be taken seriously.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:42 pm to TheCheshireHog
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I've never understood why Missouri doesn't at least attempt to recruit Arkansas more. Between this year and next there are probably 9-10 D1 prospects in NWA & Jonesboro combined and I don't believe that Missouri has offered any of them. It doesn't make a ton of sense because they're all so close to Columbia. Most will probably sign with Arkansas but it still doesn't hurt to offer and see what they say versus traveling all the way down to Georgia to offer a kid from a rural 2A school.
Doesn't make sense to me either. Even if you only end up getting 1 kid from Arky, that's one more D1 kid on your roster and you avoid having classes of 20 recruits.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:45 pm to reedus23
Memphis is another area they need to hit. Will be competing with some of the southern schools there too obviously, but at least it's not forever and a day away.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:48 pm to notsince98
Missouri was decimated by injuries last year and things piled up as teh season went on.
Pinkel may well wash out at Missouri but for his replacement to succeed he'll have to figure out how to get more talent on the roster
In the SEC talent is absolutely an issue. Alabama, Florida, and LSU have won 7 of the last 10 national championships because they regularly sit at the top of the national recruiting rankings.
Pinkel may well wash out at Missouri but for his replacement to succeed he'll have to figure out how to get more talent on the roster
In the SEC talent is absolutely an issue. Alabama, Florida, and LSU have won 7 of the last 10 national championships because they regularly sit at the top of the national recruiting rankings.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:53 pm to molsusports
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In the SEC talent is absolutely an issue. Alabama, Florida, and LSU have won 7 of the last 10 national championships because they regularly sit at the top of the national recruiting rankings.
They regularly sit atop the recruiting rankings because services rank their recruits higher.
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