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re: Mississippi State signed 8 JUCO players today
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:40 am to llfshoals
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:40 am to llfshoals
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Are they bad? There are reasons sometimes for kids to go JuCo. Back in the day grades was generally the reason, when schools you know tried to actually educate kids.
I seem to recall a guy who stole a laptop who went JuCo, came back and won a heisman?
There's nothing wrong with a kid going the JuCo route. It has never been a good thing for an SEC team to heavily go the JuCo route.
Both Ole Miss and State have experiences with this failed technique. Just because they're two years older than a high school recruit, doesn't make them good. Outside of the rare diamond in the rough, it takes a Juco player at least one season adapt. So, at best, you get one mediocre season out of the guy.
It shows of desperation because of a depleted roster. It can get you some warm bodies for the time being, but it won't do you any good building a program. In the current landscape of NIL/Transfer portal CFB, you are FAR better off poaching G5 rosters than JuCo.
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Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:45 am to pankReb
quote:You are. Does State have the budget to compete there?
In the current landscape of NIL/Transfer portal CFB, you are FAR better off poaching G5 rosters than JuCo.
No they don’t. I should think the result of this season should adequately point out the deficiencies in their roster. JuCo is a faster, dirtier fix than 2-3 star recruits who need time to develop. What money they have will be spent on QB, OL I suspect.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:03 am to llfshoals
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Does State have the budget to compete there?
They’ve had SEVERAL million dollars donated to their athletic department recently. If they aren’t diverting that towards NIL, then they have no business even fielding a team.
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JuCo is a faster, dirtier fix
Very low success rate. Much more often than not, it’s just a warm body in a position.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 6:04 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:17 am to ManBearSharkReb
Why is this bad? It’s no different than getting a freshman or sophomore in transfer portal. Many Juco players are SEC level but didn’t have the grades to get accepted into a 4 year university
We have a young team and need players that can contribute immediately if we are going to turn it around
We have a young team and need players that can contribute immediately if we are going to turn it around
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:26 am to ManBearSharkReb
It could work out for them as long as they can keep them academically eligible. (Shouldn't be too hard at moo state)
JUCO and CC players often don't land there because they don't have the ability to play P4 ball, most of the time it's because they "don't come to play school" during their HS days.
JUCO and CC players often don't land there because they don't have the ability to play P4 ball, most of the time it's because they "don't come to play school" during their HS days.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:29 am to deltaland
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Many Juco players are SEC level
Lol
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:29 am to ManBearSharkReb
I'm not sure this is a burn. Signing JUCO's is a great short term solution to make a roster better. You get experienced older guys that you have a little more tape on to come in and fix an immediate need. Lots of guys go to JUCO not because of their football ability, but because of grades.
Actually, I think it's pretty savvy.
Actually, I think it's pretty savvy.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 7:31 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:38 am to ManBearSharkReb
That’s true for everyone.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:42 am to ManBearSharkReb
Miss State is struggling so you can frick off. Yall spend millions to be happy with 9-3
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:01 am to Shamoan
Exactly, Ole Miss is about to have a rude awakening. Donors that spent all that money on that portal class wanted a ROI of a playoff team and Kiffin didn’t deliver. Those donors aren’t going to hand over those checks this time. When that doesn’t happen, Kiffin is gone.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:36 am to 49 to nada
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It could work out for them as long as they can keep them academically eligible. (Shouldn't be too hard at moo state)
JUCO and CC players often don't land there because they don't have the ability to play P4 ball, most of the time it's because they "don't come to play school" during their HS days.
I'm glad that there are a few P4 teams that are still willing to invest in JUCO players. JUCO players have been the "odd man out" in the transfer portal era...
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:40 am to pankReb
Dumbass
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:41 am to Cadello
dumbass
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:44 am to pankReb
How is a JUCO player any different than loading up on transfers?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:49 am to ManBearSharkReb
Pathetically shitty post.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:55 am to ManBearSharkReb
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Imagine thinking Ole Miss is done with recruiting. It’s not even portal season yet
Is the portal really that different than JUCO signees?
JUCO and FCS were the original portals.
One could argue there is better value in JUCO than bidding wars for FBS talent transfers.
Lesser talent is not the sole reason kids are in JUCO. Lots of high end talent that couldn't make the grades or needed a rehab are in that market.
I have no idea the quality of the JUCO players MSU signed, but there is certainly NIL discount talent available
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:58 am to bamaphan13
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How is a JUCO player any different than loading up on transfers?
Are you really asking that question?
Do you really not understand the difference between spending two years developing at a P5 school and two years at Itawamba Community College?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:00 am to GeauxFish31
quote:Hilariously wrong
Exactly, Ole Miss is about to have a rude awakening. Donors that spent all that money on that portal class wanted a ROI of a playoff team and Kiffin didn’t deliver. Those donors aren’t going to hand over those checks this time. When that doesn’t happen, Kiffin is gone.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:05 am to Che Boludo
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Is the portal really that different than JUCO signees?
JUCO and FCS were the original portals.
One could argue there is better value in JUCO than bidding wars for FBS talent transfers.
Lesser talent is not the sole reason kids are in JUCO. Lots of high end talent that couldn't make the grades or needed a rehab are in that market.
I have no idea the quality of the JUCO players MSU signed, but there is certainly NIL discount talent available
First off, I think the OP is more than likely a troll.
Secondly, There are still some quality JUCO's left. State signed some guys with good stats yesterday and I understand they need to fill immediate spots and maybe they aren't as optimistic about the portal? As an Ole Miss fan, I can remember the days when we would fill a recruiting class with JUCO's. We'd have a pretty good year or two and then go right back to the bottom again only the hit the JUCO's again and repeat the same sequence of events. Jackie Sherrill did the same thing at Mississippi State and he had good years and bad years, just like we had.
It is perfectly fine to fill a few needs with JUCO's. I wouldn't bet half my class on them though. If it were a tried and true way to do things, don't you think Bama or LSU or Georgia would do it?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:06 am to Che Boludo
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Is the portal really that different than JUCO signees?
Yes. By a large margin.
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One could argue there is better value in JUCO than bidding wars for FBS talent transfers. Lesser talent is not the sole reason kids are in JUCO. Lots of high end talent that couldn't make the grades or needed a rehab are in that market.
Sure. There are a few studs in the juco system. A few.
The problem is they spent two years practicing and playing against people who were crappy in high school. There’s a significant difference in size, talent, and speed between juco and a P5 conference. Coming from a fan who watched his team hit juco heavily a few times…..it is NOT a good way to build a program. It typically takes them a season and sometimes a season and a half to get up to speed. Congrats. Your roster spot contributed 8-10 games.
Meanwhile, the portal transfer has spent the last couple of years training with MUCH better equipment, amenities, talent level, etc.
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