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re: Miles named worst coach in college FB
Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:50 am to molsusports
Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:50 am to molsusports
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Mack Brown is generally under-rated as a head coach
Mack Brown is worse of a head coach than miles IMO. Texas has practically first pick of all the top Texas recruits every year and still has only managed 1 national title and 2 big 12 champs! Come on now with the talent they get they should at least win the big 12 every other year
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Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:51 am to rlebl39
I agree. Mack Brown is an extremely OVERRATED coach.
Dude's not that good.
Dude's not that good.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:51 am to Chimlim
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My great-grandmother could win at LSU now. And she's dead.
Could your great grandmother outcoach the mighty Saban with no offense? And before the Gumps say they weren't expected to win, let me point out that most Bama posters expected a 10-30 (that's right, 30) point win last year. A day before the Bama LSU game, you would be hard pressed to find a single Bama fan on this board willing to give us any chance of winning.
So stuff it.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:51 am to Hog Springs
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I agree. Mack Brown is an extremely OVERRATED coach.
Still not in the top 10 worst coaches' list.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:55 am to Wincrimson
Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:56 am to geauxtigahs87
I love that block JJ throws on that play 
Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:56 am to rlebl39
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Mack Brown is generally under-rated as a head coach
Mack Brown is worse of a head coach than miles IMO. Texas has practically first pick of all the top Texas recruits every year and still has only managed 1 national title and 2 big 12 champs! Come on now with the talent they get they should at least win the big 12 every other year
Please quote me in context
I specifically argued that he was under-appreciated for what he did in building a program at Texas
Game day coach? Maybe not. Maximizing the talent he recruits? Maybe not.
But Mack made Texas a shite-ton better than they were before he got there. And the the ability to successfully manage a major college program is an enormously important skill set - IMO an area where Saban for example excels more than in any other area
Posted on 6/29/11 at 11:59 am to rlebl39
24-21.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:01 pm to Choctaw
quote:maybe he's saying that Miles is the best talent evaluator and recruiter in the history of college football? I mean he'd have to be to not coach the players once they step on campus but still win 11 games on the reg plus championships.
Is that what you're saying? Cuz it really sounds like thats what you're saying. Please tell me thats what you're saying.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:01 pm to molsusports
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Please quote me in context
I specifically argued that he was under-appreciated for what he did in building a program at Texas
I did quote you in context you said he was under rated as a coach. and trust me he is not under appreciated by any means in Texas I lived there for 18 years and he is treated like a God there probably more so than saban, they are even about to launch a new longhorn network tv station this year.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:03 pm to blzr
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You could put a potted plant on the sideline at Tiger Stadium and get the same results Miles has gotten for LSU. And there would probably be better clock management. Selling his soul to the devil in exchange for wins in close games puts him over the top here.
this guys obviously flaming, has to shock to get attention
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:04 pm to rlebl39
quote:Bama would have stopped the play if their defense played their assignments the way they were coached to aight?
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I love that block JJ throws on that play
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:16 pm to rlebl39
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I did quote you in context you said he was under rated as a coach. and trust me he is not under appreciated by any means in Texas I lived there for 18 years and he is treated like a God there probably more so than saban,
It just bears pointing out that even potentially great programs with major advantages need a competent person to run their program
Brown really has been that at Texas. Since he took over in 1998 they have been much much better than they were before.
Between 2001 and 2009 Texas won 10 games every year and 12 or more games 3 times... they have been tremendous (they were just not that good at all in the 90s)
I know people rag on him for not winning the Big 12 more than they have - that is a fair criticism (even when you have to beat Stoops/OU to do it)... but the flip side of criticizing him for underachieving with his talent has to at some point mean admitting not everyone could recruit near the level that Mack has at Texas... even with the innate advantages that Texas enjoys
Who knows... maybe a year from now the whispers about dirt at Texas will come out and people will dismiss Mack and Texas for having cheated to recruit so well - I guess that could happen. But until then I will regard Mack as a highly unusual guy - a guy with the skill set to recruit at an elite level and successfully manage one of the biggest programs in college football
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:33 pm to lsusteve1
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I'm dumber for having read this........
How can you disagree with the notion that Saban built LSU into what it has been this past decade, and that Miles gets the players that he does in large part because of Saban's prior success? While he does win a lot of games, it always feels like the players aren't as productive as much as their talent would indicate. Even NFL scouts have said that before last year's draft that they were disappointed in LSU player development. That wasn't and never has been the case under Saban, whose players are perceived by scouts to be ready to play in the NFL. My point is with the talent available to LSU they should and do win a lot of games. However, every year there are a couple of games that they win on a crazy call by Miles that goes their way or when something unusual happens. Everyone, including LSU players knew that they probably shouldn't have been 7-0 going into the Auburn game last year. LINK
I think most years with Miles' players that LSU will be between 8-10 wins, in which wins 8-10 are decided on plays that could go either way as was the case the last two years. LSU did not resemble a normal 11 win team last year. Despite all their wins, at the end of the games people were left scratching their heads asking themselves how that happened.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:49 pm to stevo1905
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How can you disagree with the notion that Saban built LSU into what it has been this past decade,
It actually started under Dinardo.....
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and that Miles gets the players that he does in large part because of Saban's prior success?
Soooo....Miles goes into these kid's homes and just states that "Hey.....come to LSU because you KNOW we are on cruise control because of that midget a-hole at Bama now"???
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That wasn't and never has been the case under Saban
Go check and see how many Saban guys have actually made a Pro Bowl....won a Super Bowl....etc. (AND most of these players would be from his LSU days)....it's complete bullshite
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My point is with the talent available to LSU they should and do win a lot of games
What makes the talent at LSU soooo different from any other school in D-1?? Do we have special superior kids here...over all other states??
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I think most years with Miles' players that LSU will be between 8-10 wins
His (3) seasons of 11 wins and (1) of 12 will respectively disagree with you.......90-38 overall
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LSU did not resemble a normal 11 win team last year
you can also argue that HOW did we win with such inconsistant QB play...yet....we did quote:
Despite all their wins, at the end of the games people were left scratching their heads asking themselves how that happened.
Sure......after EVERY game....LSU fans wonder "how in the hell did we win"
Again......I'm dumber for having read that.....x's 2
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:51 pm to stevo1905
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Even NFL scouts have said that before last year's draft that they were disappointed in LSU player development
link? Cuz all i remember is one dumbass Kansas City beat writer saying this. and then Bowe goes on to lead the NFL in TDs
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Everyone, including LSU players knew that they probably shouldn't have been 7-0 going into the Auburn game last year.
what LSU players?
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I think most years with Miles' players that LSU will be between 8-10 wins, in which wins 8-10 are decided on plays that could go either way as was the case the last two years. LSU did not resemble a normal 11 win team last year.
this is too dumb to even respond too.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:57 pm to Choctaw
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So you're saying that the kids that Miles recruited could've come straight out of high school, received no training or instruction from Miles, had no practice, and just showed up on game day and won 60+ games, 2 SEC West titles, an SEC championship, a National Championship, and have the highest winning % in LSU history.
:waiting for WinCrimson to reply:
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:58 pm to stevo1905
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and that Miles gets the players that he does in large part because of Saban's prior success?
This makes no sense. How can a coach who last coached at a school 7 years ago be largely responsible for that school's recruiting still? You really think Miles is just laying back and waiting for the recruits to come to him?
This post was edited on 6/29/11 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:07 pm to geauxtigahs87
Notice how not a single Bama fan has posted since the DP reverse link?
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:08 pm to Chimlim
For some unknown reason...most fans of other schools refuse to give Miles credit for anything. I'm not sure why and i probably never will. It boggles the mind.
1. Louisiana has super human cajun talent that drinks tabasco and wrestles gators for fun. If it weren't for NCAA rules they'd all be starting in the NFL.
3. LSU doesn't need a coach (see above). My :insert funny relative here: could coach LSU to a NC. (see above)
2. Saban is still responsible for Miles' recruiting and success (7 years later)even though Miles took Sabans '04 team (9-3) to the SEC championship the very next year.
you can pretty much pick any of those 3
1. Louisiana has super human cajun talent that drinks tabasco and wrestles gators for fun. If it weren't for NCAA rules they'd all be starting in the NFL.
3. LSU doesn't need a coach (see above). My :insert funny relative here: could coach LSU to a NC. (see above)
2. Saban is still responsible for Miles' recruiting and success (7 years later)even though Miles took Sabans '04 team (9-3) to the SEC championship the very next year.
you can pretty much pick any of those 3
This post was edited on 6/29/11 at 1:09 pm
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