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re: Media responds to Avery Johnson to Bama - "Home run hire"

Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:28 am to
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:28 am to
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He's still not a good coach.
After the way LSU's season ended, how the hell can y'all talk about ANYBODY'S coach?....man, please!
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:33 am to
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One guy took a NBA team to the Finals whereas another hasn't.

Seems pretty self explanatory.


Byron Scott took a team to the NBA finals.

Avery had a stacked team led by Dirk Nowitzki in his prime. It's not like the next coach didn't immediately replicate his success.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:57 am to
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After the way LSU's season ended, how the hell can y'all talk about ANYBODY'S coach?....man, please!



LSU didn't lose due to coaching. Johnny didn't miss every fg in the last 10 minutes of play and choke away free throws. Yall are retarded.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:22 am to
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After the way LSU's season ended, how the hell can y'all talk about ANYBODY'S coach?....man, please!



LSU's season ended with missing a shite load of free throw shots in the NCAA tourney. The coach can't shoot them for the players.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:24 am to
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Avery had a stacked team led by Dirk Nowitzki in his prime. It's not like the next coach didn't immediately replicate his success


Dirk has said that AJ made him a better player. Everyone in the basketball community respect AJ's coaching. DWI.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:37 am to
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After the way LSU's season ended, how the hell can y'all talk about ANYBODY'S coach?....man, please!




No where did I compare him to Johnny Jones.

This isn't about Johnny Jones.


And if you want to go there, Johnny at least has college experience and is a proven recruiter. He is not a great coach either, but has improved LSU in his 3 years and has an elite class coming in this year.

I am laughing that some of you, including Finebaum, somehow think this is a better hire than Gregg Marshall. That guy is an elite, proven, college head coach. That is just baffling.

Like saying Brian Billick is a better college football coach than Gary Patterson.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:39 am to
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I am laughing that some of you, including Finebaum, somehow think this is a better hire than Gregg Marshall. That guy is an elite, proven, college head coach. That is just baffling.



same thing we did with Steele before Ed O was announced. Just trying to be positive.

No reasonable person thinks this is a better hire than Marshall would have been.
Posted by Chad44
Studio City
Member since Jul 2009
529 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:39 am to
Scott took a team to the Finals in a pathetic Eastern Conference. Just look at the team that A.I took the Finals.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 9:41 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:40 am to
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same thing we did with Steele before Ed O was announced. Just trying to be positive.

No reasonable person thinks this is a better hire than Marshall would have been.




I was not one of those people. Steele was a sub-par hire and I still believe so. I just think we'll be able to hide his inadequacies with talent and great position coaches.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:42 am to
I think he had a bad deal over at Clemson. I also agree with you on the position coaches and talent.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:44 am to
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No reasonable person thinks this is a better hire than Marshall would have been.


Most people realize that Marshall coming here would have been a pure money grab and not because he really wanted to be at Alabama. AJ seems to really want the job. That is why AJ is a better hire for Alabama.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:49 am to
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Most people realize that Marshall coming here would have been a pure money grab and not because he really wanted to be at Alabama. AJ seems to really want the job. That is why AJ is a better hire for Alabama.




You can't seriously believe this. You just can't.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:49 am to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:54 am to
Good hire
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130451 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:56 am to
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AJ seems to really want the job.

He's been out of a job for a 3 years. Of course he's excited to have the job.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26099 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 10:06 am to
Just remember, in March of 2009, Paul Finebaum wrote a piece called Grant Historical, Quality Hire for Alabama. Funny that he likes Avery Johnson and Tide fans are happy to use his endorsement, but they don't even remember him doing the same thing when Grant was hired.

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One of the most remarkable aspects of the hiring of Anthony Grant at Alabama has been the dearth of discussion of race. Instead, people have focused on his youth, remarkable résumé and, mostly, his enormous potential.

Who's to say if Alabama President Robert Witt, having been excoriated in his slipshod selection of Mike Shula over Sylvester Croom in May 2003, didn't learn from that debacle. Or whether he simply identified the best candidate this time instead of rounding up the usual suspects.

Regardless, there wasn't much quibbling among Alabama fans over Grant other than a few who would have preferred Missouri coach Mike Anderson.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson was front and center in the Shula/Croom debate six years ago. It's a tad difficult to round up much dissent this time and complain that one black man got the job over another. Something tells me the late Martin Luther King Jr. might be smiling down on us about that. At Alabama, of all places, he must be thinking, "Now, that's what I call progress."

You can be pedantic that perhaps the school spent too much money on Grant, considering his relative inexperience as a proven head coach. However, this was a case where Alabama started out the process boasting it was looking for a basketball partner to Nick Saban. For that to occur, it made more sense to head to Saks Fifth Avenue for the shopping spree as opposed to the Dollar Tree.

Nobody can say with certainty what Grant will do at Alabama. However, if history is any indicator, he should do pretty well. When you consider Wimp Sanderson went to 10 NCAA tournaments and six Sweet 16 appearances and Mark Gottfried went to five straight NCAAs and an Elite Eight, it's a safe bet Grant will make waves in March as well.

This isn't a program in shambles. This is merely a program that became stagnant under Gottfried. Alabama fans are ready and anxious to race back to Coleman Coliseum. With Grant, the school can facilitate a much-needed upgrade in relation to a basketball practice facility, important to wooing top recruits.

This is critical because Auburn also will be selling momentum and a brand-new arena and, if Alabama had made the wrong move in this hiring, the school could have been stuck in a ditch for a long time.

Basketball is not as important as football at Alabama and it never will be. It wouldn't matter if the coach hired were Grant or Bob Knight. However, basketball is more important at Alabama than it is at Auburn.

Another thing Alabama did better than Auburn was this coaching search.


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While Auburn's search to replace Tommy Tuberville became a national punch line, Alabama's process seemed methodical and under the radar screen. Making a coaching change early gave the school plenty of time.

The search was conducted seamlessly, while Auburn's hunt looked like your typical backwoods, smoke-filled room with the good old boys slapping each other on the back when it was over.

And for all of Auburn's trouble, spending big money on a search firm and jetting around the country in a bad economy interviewing mostly second and third-tier candidates, the school ended up with a 5-19 head coach who so far has been uninspiring.

Would Turner Gill have been a better choice than Gene Chizik because of the color of his skin? No. But it would have shown Auburn had joined the 21st century from a standpoint of having an open mind.

"UA's hiring of Anthony Grant was significant, as was the fact that at least three other African-American coaches were given some degree of consideration for the position," said Donald Maurice Jackson, a Montgomery sports attorney and author of "Fourth Down and Twenty-Five Years to Go — The African-American and the Justice System."

"That alone represents consid erable progress," Jackson said. "Whether by design or mere recognition of the merits of hiring capable, qualified coaches (of all races), this hiring was a fairly significant event."

Jackson went on to say the University of Alabama "should be applauded for their open mindedness on this coaching hire."

Other than sociological and historical significance, does the first black head coach at Alabama (in a major money-making sport) give the school any real advantage? Or is the value primarily in regard to PR?

"Coach Grant is obviously one of the rising young coaches in the country," Jackson said. "Most schools that compete on the national level have realized the significance of diversity in their head coaching ranks. In an age when many high-level college football and basketball programs routinely start as many as 20 African-Americans on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball (in football), and starting five African-Americans (in basketball) is as common as wearing Nikes, who can question the competitive benefits of hiring coaches who have cultural identification with the players?"

So score a big win here for Alabama. It was also a victory over its past hiring practices. Alabama not only made an historic hire in Anthony Grant, it made a quality hire.

In the end, that matters most of all.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 10:11 am
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10723 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 10:07 am to
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No reasonable person thinks this is a better hire than Marshall would have been.


Greg Marshall was a sure fire thing.

That doesn't mean we can't be optimistic. I'm glad to have a bit of personality back in T-town, and we needed that, especially with Perl.

Probably the strongest "identity" we've had in basketball since Wimp--and he hasn't even stepped off the plane. That's important. And from that standpoint, maybe a bigger "identity" splash than Marshall.

I don't think Marshall was ever coming to Bama. I'm cautiously optimistic for Avery. I think it's a big bet. It's not like we had much to lose.

It's a better hire than most of the other names not-named-Marshall. Prohm, Pitino Jr, etc.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72012 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 10:08 am to
It's a splash hire but the timing was terrible because people are thinking UF and UK will come available. Bama had the money to get a better hire than Johnson, but had to act quick.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 10:14 am to
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You can't seriously believe this. You just can't.


Why can't I? Recruiting is sales and if you don't believe what you are selling then you won't be very effective. Not a far fetched notion.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26099 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 10:22 am to
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Why can't I? Recruiting is sales and if you don't believe what you are selling then you won't be very effective. Not a far fetched notion.



This whole line of thinking is hilarious. So let's say you could have Phil Jackson/Larry Brown/Mike Krzyzewski/Tom Izzo, etc. because Bama would pay any one of them $20 million a year (a pure money grab). Let's also say that Rick Ray really, really wanted the head job at Bama. You would hire Rick Ray, wouldn't you?
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 10:36 am
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