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Posted on 12/10/10 at 12:54 pm to RJYH
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I don't want McElwain to leave.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:04 pm to mattz1122
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I hope this isn't a reference to Crowton
No! Crowton needs to go.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:07 pm to Weaver
Doesn't matter. Alabama could get Mike Leach as the OC and nothing would change. Mc Daddy runs the offense Saban wants him to run. Same was true with Gene Stallings and Homer Smith.
The idea is to be able to run the ball. Stop the run. Be in the plus column on turnovers. 60% on third down conversions. Stop the other team from converting 60% third down conversions. Play sound special teams.
This is the same philosophy that Alabama has used for decades.
I hate it at times and I used to raise hell when Mal Moore's Malfuntion Express failed to produce big offensive numbers but it is what it is.
It's playing the odds.
I'm just grateful we've got a hellacious recruiter and his name isn't Mike.
The idea is to be able to run the ball. Stop the run. Be in the plus column on turnovers. 60% on third down conversions. Stop the other team from converting 60% third down conversions. Play sound special teams.
This is the same philosophy that Alabama has used for decades.
I hate it at times and I used to raise hell when Mal Moore's Malfuntion Express failed to produce big offensive numbers but it is what it is.
It's playing the odds.
I'm just grateful we've got a hellacious recruiter and his name isn't Mike.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:09 pm to FTBLFN
Greg Davis is so horrible that he might actually be an upgrade for them.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:12 pm to Bench McElroy
Seriously Alabama fans? How can you not realize that what you are actually frustrated about Saban's coaching philosophy. And if that frustrates you then you are nuts.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:15 pm to AlaTiger
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Why do Bama fans want McElwain gone? Bama is 35-5 with him as the OC.
I'm just not a fan of his offensive philosophy. The "take what the defense gives you" crap is fine when you don't have the talent to make the defense take what you give it. We had a Heisman winning RB, arguably a top 5 back in the country as our backup, 3 returning OL starters, one of the best WRs in the country, and a 5th year senior at QB. Plenty of talent there to score 35+ a game consistently. Our offense is just some weird mutant spread/pro-style thing that can't stay in sync for an entire half, let alone an entire game. I'd rather just see us commit to one particular style of offense instead of taking a little bit from several styles.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:15 pm to AlaTiger
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Why do Bama fans want McElwain gone?
My guess will be some of the play calling during key situations. Mainly in the 3 losses for Bama this year. Glad we have Jimbo.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:23 pm to mattz1122
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Exactly. At this rate, they're going to be perpetually frustrated with Bama's offense.
That is why Saban and coaches that run a mainly pro style offense get his kids in the pros.....the only ones who seem to even partially benefit from spread are receivers....running backs and certainly quarterbacks do not benefit....I am just curious as to when the spread zone read offense will go by the wayside....
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:23 pm to Robot Santa
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I'm just not a fan of his offensive philosophy. The "take what the defense gives you" crap is fine when you don't have the talent to make the defense take what you give it. We had a Heisman winning RB, arguably a top 5 back in the country as our backup, 3 returning OL starters, one of the best WRs in the country, and a 5th year senior at QB. Plenty of talent there to score 35+ a game consistently. Our offense is just some weird mutant spread/pro-style thing that can't stay in sync for an entire half, let alone an entire game. I'd rather just see us commit to one particular style of offense instead of taking a little bit from several styles.
Your anger is misplaced. You need to send a letter to Saban.
Have I been happy with the offense? Hell no. But it is a product of the Saban mentality.
Saban is a defensive minded coach. He realizes that defense wins championships because it's been demonstrated for years. If Saban has the best defense in the country I don't care if he's playing the Barn, Oregon, and Boise State combined he's going to win more times than he loses.
A great defense will force the other team to make the most mistakes. All you have to have is a somewhat capable and physical offense to take advantage of those mistakes.
This post was edited on 12/10/10 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:31 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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2007 = Fire Pendry
2008 = Were we actually content in 2008?
2009 = Fire Cignetti
2010 = Fire McElwain
McElwain and Cignetti have both done a horrible job. Name one receiver that Cignetti has developed at Alabama. Julio was great from day one and you or I could look like a good WR coach with we had him. Maze has shown no improvement or development. Neither has Hanks. And how many of the top highly regarded WR recruits Alabama has brought in over the last couple years are contributing right now? The only guy who even sees any playing is Norwood and he's had what 2 catches this year? Cignetti sure is doing a bang-up job with those receivers. And you're blinded by homerism if you don't think the Alabama offense hasn't massively underachieved this year under McElwain.
This post was edited on 12/10/10 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:34 pm to arty
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Your anger is misplaced. You need to send a letter to Saban.
Have I been happy with the offense? Hell no. But it is a product of the Saban mentality.
Saban is a defensive minded coach. He realizes that defense wins championships because it's been demonstrated for years. If Saban has the best defense in the country I don't care if he's playing the Barn, Oregon, and Boise State combined he's going to win more times than he loses.
A great defense will force the other team to make the most mistakes. All you have to have is a somewhat capable and physical offense to take advantage of those mistakes.
I understand that. I know that our offense is never going to keep it wide open for 60 minutes. My main complaint is that we take bits and pieces out of spread offenses and pro style offenses while neglecting what makes those offenses difficult to stop. We never get the kind of mismatches that a spread is designed to produce, and our play action, where pro-style offenses create their big passing plays, is abysmal. I'm fine with playing defense and ball control, but our offense was just incapable of producing when the defense faltered this year, despite having more talent than maybe any other offense Bama has ever had.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:35 pm to Bench McElroy
Julio is in the wrong offense to display his talent. Saban does not like a wide open offense as he can't control the clock.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:38 pm to arty
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Stop the other team from converting 60% third down conversions.
lol wut
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:40 pm to Bench McElroy
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And you're blinded by homerism if you don't think the Alabama offense didn't massively underachieve this year under McElwain.
Football starts in the trenches. The OL underachieved this year. Bama couldn't impose their will like they could last year. It forced Bama to have to throw the ball more so there was a tradeoff. They passed for more yards but ran the ball less.
McElroy's numbers went up. Ingram and Richardson's went down.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:41 pm to Bench McElroy
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Maze has shown no improvement or development. Neither has Hanks.
I disagree, Maze has improved greatly since he was a freshman, and Hanks is actually relevant to the offense opposed to the last few years.
Honestly, do you expect three 800 yard WRs every year? that's not gonna happen ever under Saban, I can promise you that. The ground game has and always will be the focal point of the offense.
And what about the WRs and TEs blocking skills? Cignetti is the reason why they are so disciplined in that aspect. Tie that in with the fact he is the Recruiting Coordinator, he's doing fine...
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:45 pm to rollthatback
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lol wut
I'm saying that's the goal. Doesn't mean it happens. In fact it usually doesn't get over 50% for any team.
I don't know what the Barn's third down conversion this year was but I bet it was over 50%.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:47 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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And what about the WRs and TEs blocking skills? Cignetti is the reason why they are so disciplined in that aspect. Tie that in with the fact he is the Recruiting Coordinator, he's doing fine...
Alabama isn't Tom Osborne's Nebraska. Wide receivers should be brought in to get open and catch the ball. The only WR who can do that consistently on Alabama's team is Jones. The problems will become even more glaringly obvious if McElwain stays and Jones departs after this year. Don't you think I've been proven right about McElroy and McElwain? I'm right about this too.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:48 pm to arty
I want an OC that can actually capitalize on the massive amounts of talent he has around him.
Julio, Ingram, Richardson, Maze, Hanks, etc.
Julio, Ingram, Richardson, Maze, Hanks, etc.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 1:55 pm to Bench McElroy
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Alabama isn't Tom Osborne's Nebraska. Wide receivers should be brought in to get open and catch the ball. The only WR who can do that consistently on Alabama's team is Jones. The problems will become even more glaringly obvious if McElwain stays and Jones departs after this year. Don't you think I've been proven right about McElroy and McElwain? I'm right about this too.
WRs are always gonna take 2nd place to RBs and the running game, their blocking skills are unusually a higher necessity than most teams.
And all the WRs have been getting open, the ball isn't getting to them. All that tells me that GMAC stops trying to make reads and just heaves it to Julio. It's discipline, not coaching. Jim McElwain can tell the QB all season to go through his reads, but it's up to the QB to actually do it.
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