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Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Believing the Soviets covered up a fake Moon landing for the US is more adventurous than simply believing man walked on the Moon, in my opinion.
Approximately 50% of russians believe it was a hoax. And you have a former head of the Russian space agency publicly, repeatedly, and unapologetically stating that based on the evidence Russia has he doesn’t believe it either.
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Believing the Soviets covered up a fake Moon landing for the US is more adventurous than simply believing man walked on the Moon, in my opinion.
If they have been trying to cover up a fake moon landing they have not done a very good job with half their people not believing them.
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Dmitry Rogozin, the Russian that you keep pointing to as some type of "authority", is more of a far Right military figure and politician, than a scientist, and was like 5 years old when Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the Moon. He was also dismissed from his position and was known to be a loose cannon.
You left out an important part. He was head of the Russian space agency for 4 years.
I wonder who has had access to more data on the Apollo program, the former head of the Russian space agency or SEC Rant user SidewalkTiger?
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Dmitry Rogozin's Scepticism:
In 2018, while head of Roscosmos, Rogozin said his agency would "verify" if the U.S. landed on the Moon. In 2023, he stated he had not found evidence of the landings after querying his agency, feeding into long-standing conspiracy theories.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:49 pm to captdalton
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If they have been trying to cover up a fake moon landing they have not done a very good job with half their people not believing them
As you said, people question things more now, whether it's valid or not. Especially now that over 55 years have passed.
I can imagine that's doubly true when it's a "rival" nation.
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You left out an important part. He was head of the Russian space agency for 4 years.
I wonder who has had access to more data on the Apollo program, the former head of the Russian space agency or SEC Rant user SidewalkTiger?
If Marjorie Taylor Green or AOC were appointed to be the head of NASA, I'd probably take what they had to say a little less "seriously" than what a career "NASA guy" said, but that's just me.
RFK Jr is the current head of Health and Human Services but I doubt he's any kind of expert in something like pandemic response. Most agency heads know very little about how said agencies even function, I can't imagine Russia being better in that aspect. They're probably worse.
I think things should absolutely be questioned when there are obvious problems with the official narrative. Questioning the official narrative just to question it, though, is a fool's errand, in my opinion.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:54 pm to captdalton
I'll ask you again since you seem to have overlooked my earlier post: how do you explain away the SELENE evidence, which shows that photos sent from the moon during the Apollo missions, and which show astronauts walking on the lunar surface, could not have been faked since they contain information that was not known at the time the missions were conducted?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 4:19 pm to weadjust
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All of them? 6 NASA manned landings
I don’t think they were faked I do find it odd that we manned 6 missions to the moon in roughly 3 years and didn’t go back for 50 years.
I guess there was nothing bc worth seeing.
To be honest, considering the investment required I feel our money is better spent here on earth.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 4:46 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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I'll ask you again since you seem to have overlooked my earlier post: how do you explain away the SELENE evidence, which shows that photos sent from the moon during the Apollo missions, and which show astronauts walking on the lunar surface, could not have been faked since they contain information that was not known at the time the missions were conducted?
The SELENE probe operated from 2007 to 2009. How did it prove that the photos and video were 100% real? You say it was because of the terrain. This ignores that we had already been in orbit around the moon, and Russia had landed on it multiple times by 1969. If NASA was clueless about the environment and terrain, how did they choose landing sites
As for the photos they took on the SELENE mission, resolution of the SELENE Terrain Camera was not high enough to show the astronauts prints or the small lunar rover directly, but rather the evidence of their activity (landed equipment and disturbed soil).
I have looked at the photos I could find from that mission. They definitely prove we landed on the moon. So have Russia, China, India, and Japan. But I didn’t see anything that absolutely proved astronauts walked on the moon. What evidence do they have of this?
The argument some make is we wouldn’t have known what the moon looked like. But we had already orbited the moon, so we did. The other argument are photos of astronaut’s foot prints on the moon. But, and correct me if I am wrong, NASA is the source of all these photos. Others have taken them and run.
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The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), launched by NASA in 2009, has since captured much higher-resolution images that clearly show the Apollo lunar modules, rover tracks, and even astronaut footprints
The other proof is that the moon rocks collected were tested. They were moon rocks. They matched those that Russia collected. On unmanned flights. So the fact they are moon rocks doesn’t tell us if they were picked up by hand or collected by an unmanned lander.
Everyone here is screaming about all the proof. But the only concrete proof I see that we walked on the moon is from NASA.
I used to believe we walked on the moon. Because the government told us we did. And they gave us pictures and video to prove it. Life was simpler when I didn’t think the government occasionally lies to us and I didn’t notice that not everything always adds up to what they tell us.
Again, we landed on the moon. But the actual moon walks? I am agnostic, I don’t think anyone here can prove with certainty we did. Or didn’t.
At the end of the day it doesn’t impact me day to day so what does it really matter?
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:10 pm to captdalton
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The SELENE probe operated from 2007 to 2009. How did it prove that the photos and video were 100% real? You say it was because of the terrain. This ignores that we had already been in orbit around the moon, and Russia had landed on it multiple times by 1969. If NASA was clueless about the environment and terrain, how did they choose landing sites
By that logic, NASA was detail oriented enough to recreate the fake terrain for the photos yet somehow totally forgot about the missing stars, fluttering flags, various camera angles, etc
I think if there had been an actual hoax, the Soviets would've absolutely called it out immediately. And there would likely be admissions from those involved in the Apollo program later in life, especially now that many of them are either very old or have already died.
That tends to happen in most cover ups, especially when there are a lot of people involved. It's been over 55 years and there aren't many credible people denying that man walked on the Moon.
Also, it seems tough to fake something like that 6 different times.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:24 pm to SidewalkTiger
Here is my take. 55 years ago you you had the number 1 song in music. It was recognized all over the world. Then in todays world you released a song that was a good top 10 song that the world is going crazy over. Why are we so gaga over something that is not one third of our accomplishments 55 years ago. Just saying, think!
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:30 pm to captdalton
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At the end of the day it doesn’t impact me day to day so what does it really matter?
It matters because truth matters.
People who deny science and scientific and engineering, etc accomplishments are harmful because they spread their ignorance to others.
I just hope you don't fall off the edge of the flat earth.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:30 pm to SidewalkTiger
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totally forgot about the missing stars, fluttering flags, various camera angles, etc
That has been explained by NASA. You aren’t questioning NASA are you?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:36 pm to JohnnyU
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truth matters.
That sounds like “trust the science”, “two weeks to stop the spread”, and “misinformation.”
Some people believe everything they are told. Others question everything they are told. Most are somewhere in the middle.
Calling someone a “flat earther” when that person has categorically rejected that idea just makes you look dumb.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:53 pm to captdalton
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The SELENE probe operated from 2007 to 2009. How did it prove that the photos and video were 100% real? You say it was because of the terrain. This ignores that we had already been in orbit around the moon, and Russia had landed on it multiple times by 1969. If NASA was clueless about the environment and terrain, how did they choose landing sites
This is what I assumed your response would be, and I'm sorry but all it does is show that you do not have a firm grasp of the history of lunar exploration or how planetary surveys actually work. You are correct that we had some idea of what the lunar surface was like in 1969 - we could say that a given area seemed rugged or upraised, or that it seemed flat and relatively smooth, but we could not say that this feature of the moon was 300 meters above lunar "sea" level while this other area was 30 meters below. We had only a very general idea of the topography of the surface. One of the purposes of some of the earlier Apollo missions (10 is a very good example) was to get close-up photos of some of the proposed landing sites to give them a better idea of what to expect precisely because they did not have that level of detail. But even with those photos the best they could do was to say, "Yes, this area seems pretty flat and level," when choosing the final sites. So, in your world where they are building moon sets on sound stages to fake the landings, they might have known generally where to put hills and depressions, but they would have had no idea how high to make the hills or how deep to make the depressions - that information did not exist at the time. What the SELENE evidence shows is that the photographs from the lunar surface - again, many of which show astronauts walking on the moon - conform to the actual lunar terrain to a degree that would not have been possible to achieve artificially at the time of the mission. That kind of detailed information about lunar topography did not exist until SELENE provided it decades after the fact.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 6:03 pm to captdalton
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That has been explained by NASA. You aren’t questioning NASA are you?
I'm not the one worried about those things.
It's odd that deniers would have you believe that NASA is detail oriented enough to perfectly recreate the lunar landscape (similar to what the poster above me is saying) with limited information yet they completely forgot about everything else.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 6:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It's odd that deniers would have you believe that NASA is detail oriented enough to perfectly recreate the lunar landscape (similar to what the poster above me is saying) with limited information yet they completely forgot about everything else.
I have never denied we landed on the moon. I haven’t even denied we walked on the moon. I just have questions about it. Like a lot of people.
And because I don’t know, I have not said exactly what NASA was thinking or did. Unlike you who has figured out every detail.
The fact some of you are losing your minds because I have questions about it is humorous. As is the fact that the people that scream “misinformation”, “truth matters”, and “trust the science” don’t seem to realize that science is asking questions - why, why not, how? The “trust the science” people completely reject the scientific method. That is curious, much more curious than them.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 6:20 pm to captdalton
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I have never denied we landed on the moon. I haven’t even denied we walked on the moon. I just have questions about it. Like a lot of people.
And because I don’t know, I have not said exactly what NASA was thinking or did. Unlike you who has figured out every detail.
I never said "you" did anything, I just said deniers apparently believe both of those things which doesn't really make sense.
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The fact some of you are losing your minds because I have questions about it is humorous. As is the fact that the people that scream “misinformation”, “truth matters”, and “trust the science” don’t seem to realize that science is asking questions - why, why not, how? The “trust the science” people completely reject the scientific method. That is curious, much more curious than them.
Debating you is "losing our minds"?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 6:34 pm to captdalton
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So you don’t believe our justice system works?
No. That is how conspiracy theorists think. Tuskegee happened, so everything else is a true conspiracy as well.
The justice system has failed people many times. Innocent people have been convicted of crimes and guilty people with huge amounts of evidence against have gotten off due to technicalities or juries not understanding what "reasonable doubt" means. That doesn't mean it doesn't work the vast majority of the time.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 6:35 pm to JohnnyU
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People who deny science and scientific and engineering, etc accomplishments are harmful because they spread their ignorance to others.
It’s a really good way for people to let you know they’re retarded though. Like Captderpton is doing right now.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:16 pm to billjamin
From this thread I can see how Galileo was arrested, convicted, imprisoned, and his books burned for arguing that the universe did not revolve around Earth.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:31 pm to billjamin
Depending on what poll you believe, between 20 million and 60 million Americans have questions or doubts about the Apollo program. Add in 15 million Brits and 70 million Russians, and that is over 100 million people.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:36 pm to captdalton
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Depending on what poll you believe, between 20 million and 60 million Americans have questions or doubts about the Apollo program. Add in 15 million Brits and 70 million Russians, and that is over 100 million people.
That’s a lot of tards. Are any of them obsessed with lsu sports too? Do yall have a support group for people with moon and tiger tisms?
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